I didn't miss it, I disagree.

Post #275,778 by Another Scott 12/14/06 10:31:22 AM Reply	I didn't miss it, I disagree. Caveat: I'm no expert. In shows I've seen on TV about wolf behavior, they show their submissive behavior by rolling on their sides or back and exposing their neck. I've never seen (that I recall) a dominant wolf attacking another in such a position. They don't seem to regard it as a suicidal action, but a sign of respect. In "The Dog Whisperer", Caesar often puts dogs on their sides or backs when they don't respond to lesser methods. He doesn't yell at them, he doesn't hit them (but will poke them to get their attention). He uses what they understand as alpha behavior to impress upon them that they're not the alpha. He raises and trains dogs and has a specialty in pit bulls and rotweilers. He certainly [link\|http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20041017-9999-lz1a17beast.html\|seems to know what he's doing]. FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
Post #275,779 by pwhysall 12/14/06 10:46:00 AM Reply	Dog Whisper Bloke doesn't alpha roll dogs. If the dog goes down of its own accord, that's not an alpha roll. That's submissive or appeasive behaviour. If you don't violently flip the dog, it's not an alpha roll. After all, I frequently roll my dog over when we're playing, but there's a clear difference between that and an alpha roll - one involves violence, the other involves having his feet and tummy tickled. And finally, I believe that there's a big disclaimer on the Whisperer along the lines of "DON'T ATTEMPT ANY OF THIS SHIT WITHOUT CONSULTING AN EXPERT DOG TRAINERIZER", much like the Dog Borstal and It's Me Or The Dog programmes on this side of the pond. Final analysis: I'm not sure that what you call an Alpha Roll and what I call an Alpha Roll are at all the same thing. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #275,782 by Andrew Grygus 12/14/06 10:49:23 AM Reply	I don't alpha roll dogs either. I don't have a recipe for that. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #275,791 by Another Scott 12/14/06 11:14:08 AM Reply	Clarification. An example of what I'm talking about is when he picked up a snarling, thrashing dog, held it on its side or back with his hand on its neck and said "Shush!" and didn't relent until the dog calmed down. For an video example, search for "Cesar's Toughest Cases" [link\|http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/video/index.html\|here] for an example 3 minute video clip. It's the first one that shows up. And finally, I believe that there's a big disclaimer on the Whisperer along the lines of "DON'T ATTEMPT ANY OF THIS SHIT WITHOUT CONSULTING AN EXPERT DOG TRAINERIZER", much like the Dog Borstal and It's Me Or The Dog programmes on this side of the pond. Indeed. I agree that he needs to see a trainer. :-) Cheers, Scott.
Post #275,867 by drewk 12/15/06 9:34:34 PM 12/15/06 9:35:18 PM Reply	Training vs. breaking bad habits I'm hoping my next dog will be a puppy. I've never had one. I'd like to start out with all the "right things" and maybe it'll all work. But the one I have now was a stray. After the first class, the trainer pulled us aside and said if we couldn't keep him from going after the other dogs at the next session, we'd have to get private training. At the last session two months later, there was a German Shepard bitch in season. Woodie was the only one that would walk past her without stopping. (Well, not every time. [Okay, he walked past her once.]) Yes, he was probably afraid of me the first couple of months. You'd never know it to see him now. He has never gone after people, or we wouldn't have kept him. But he was afraid of other dogs. He had probably lost a few fights. I had to convince him that I was the only one that got to challenge other dogs. Yes, I'm a sample size of one. But I did the research, listened to a trainer, and it seems to have worked. === Kip Hawley is still an idiot. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com] Edited by drewk Dec. 15, 2006, 09:35:18 PM EST Expand All History

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