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New Wolves aren't dogs, but..
I've observed the 'training of a wolf pup' by a mature wolf, on many occasions. And by 'owner' - a visible confluence, to say the least.

Friend L. would be deemed an expert in such matters, not only for having two in her tribe (+ transients) but for her trips around the country, most often related to rescuing such animals from snuffing in Murican animal shelters crematoria -- this for, quite longer than a decade.

While I do not deceive self that I have acquired her lore through osmosis, I've seen enough Live demos + filmed ones, to possess an informed opinion, at least re Wolves, not in-the-wild. Witnessing a few of the techniques the pros learned through shared tips with others - beats any manual.

Among these: L's ... periodic ... need to reassert that She is the alpha male. Period. And with an 80#+ pack-mate, this 'assertion' process will cause owners of cocker-Spaniels to wet pants.. L. is not a large woman (but in great shape); she has had to throw Ivan ~ across a small room - to Get his attention re. some serious infraction of rules for sharing-space, etc. (Ivan won't 'break'; that would be obvious when, with his paws on your shoulders - you are looking at each other at eye-level.)

She must become Tiger lest Ivan imagine that Tsardom is within his grasp. Her moves are premeditated, and have nothing to do with anger, or of instilling a 'fear' response of random neurotic kind: it's about maintaining a hierarchy which, if allowed to deteriorate - WILL produce neurotic behavior in all parts of the tribe, even the 'experienced' biped.

L. would say it better, for having-to - to so many who don't know shit, but read something somewhere. One employs force according to size (!) and the importance of a particular lesson. Sometimes there evasion isn't possible, nor would a 'treat' cajole.

(As Box noted, 'Course! - there Are all kinds of occasions / the majority, in fact / where Love is shown and reciprocated.. probably no more movingly than in Ivan's massive caring for the growth of a *blind* pup (who appears to have acquired bat radar as a now-adult; many cannot believe Jupiter/Jupie is blind, even with the unarguable evidence.)

Dogs are not wolves. But the differences/similarities aren't fodder for a sound bite. The commonality is surely about the pack-animal innate genetic codes shared, despite designer-breeding of the domesticated dogs.

Offhand, I can't think of any substitute for acquiring the tutoring of a truly experienced animal handler, wherever you see that you just don't know what's going on with your beast -- or what you should/shouldn't 'do' about it. (I certainly do not qualify to teach anyone, and believe no one can do much remote analysis.. beyond noting a few attitudes? that can help a new owner to acquire smarts.) No reason a tyke can't learn a few basic 'assertions' - it would likely be good for his own growing sense of er {ugh - another word so badly mauled} 'empowerment'?



My 3 itty-bitty wolf nips
(Jupie now acknowledges my scent too as, ~~ Shit! this biped already knows I'm a pussycat at heart.. guess we can just play, then.)

New Here's an often ignored rule
If the parents of the child who wants the dog have never cohabited with one of our furry friends, they shouldn't get one.

Ever.
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Draft Kucinich [link|http://www.kucinich.us/bio.php|now].
New true, unless on parent has
get them a goldfish or a cat. One is low maintenance and the other is self sufficient. Unless you are willing to commit to an animal for its life as an integral part of your family dont bother.
thanx,
bill
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 51 years. meep

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     Our old dog died... And a new one is here. - (Arkadiy) - (55)
         Sincere condolences. It'll get easier over time. - (Another Scott) - (29)
             Trouble - (Arkadiy) - (28)
                 FWIW you're right about who needs to be trained - (drewk) - (22)
                     Alpha roll is method of last resort for experts. - (pwhysall) - (21)
                         Since I have trained more dogs than you have et hot dinners - (boxley) - (5)
                             Anecdotal. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                 kiss my ass, you might be good at that - (boxley) - (3)
                                     You bothered to post /that/? - (pwhysall)
                                     It must be the holidays - (bepatient) - (1)
                                         naw, too much of einsteins theory is anecdotal :-) -NT - (boxley)
                         We're talking about a specific behavior - (drewk) - (14)
                             And an alpha roll is not the way to fix it. - (pwhysall) - (13)
                                 I'm going to stop complaining now... - (pwhysall) - (12)
                                     Lots of good advice. - (Another Scott) - (11)
                                         You missed why the alpha roll causes problems. - (pwhysall) - (10)
                                             I didn't miss it, I disagree. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                 Dog Whisper Bloke doesn't alpha roll dogs. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                     I don't alpha roll dogs either. - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                     Clarification. - (Another Scott)
                                                     Training vs. breaking bad habits - (drewk)
                                             oh, did you get that crap from willyipedia? - (boxley) - (2)
                                                 Whatever, Bill. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                     yabut /me isin ixpert -NT - (boxley)
                                             That is not my experience and I have 3 dogs. - (hnick) - (1)
                                                 There's an element of training in there. - (static)
                 nope you train the dog - (boxley)
                 Both Drew and Box are right. - (static)
                 Wolves aren't dogs, but.. - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Here's an often ignored rule - (Silverlock) - (1)
                         true, unless on parent has - (boxley)
         Must've been the weekend to hit the shelter - (bionerd) - (5)
             My kittens have all but grown up. - (static) - (4)
                 OT: Check your W3C validation link -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                     Eck. - (static)
                 Nice pictures. - (bionerd) - (1)
                     Thank you. - (static)
         Sorry to hear it. - (hnick)
         sorry to hear it, pits need strong owners - (boxley)
         condolences - (jbrabeck)
         Condolences - and congratulations... - (imric)
         Condolences, and good luck with the puppy! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         Condolences. And congrats! - (jb4)
         It never rains but it pours - (Arkadiy) - (12)
             Congrats! Best of luck all around. -NT - (Another Scott)
             its a pitt cross, they love to chew - (boxley)
             congrats! -NT - (Steve Lowe)
             May it all go well! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             I have failed... - (Arkadiy) - (7)
                 I'm very sorry. Don't be hard on yourself. - (Another Scott)
                 you didnt fail, you realized it wouldnt work - (boxley) - (1)
                     Ditto that thought. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                 Sorry to hear that - (drewk)
                 You did the right thing for your family AND the animal... -NT - (imric) - (1)
                     *nod* - (Steve Lowe)
                 You didn't fail, honestly! - (Nightowl)

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