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New The death of humanity as a species is a given.
Time is the only variable. You think our technology will extend that time - I do not. Current science and cosmology provide no practical way to expand even to the most nearby (and very hostil) worlds, and finding another that is actually habitable is entirely out of the question.

There may be a way out of here but it's not through technology. You'd need to come up with a whole new definition of how the universe works and demonstrate that it works that way.

The massive expenditure and depletion of resources you propose to set up one or two doomed colonies would be far better spent fixing problems here, and that would also avoid the severe damage to the upper atmosphere your project would cause.

As for your small tribes and island peoples - point me to one where power struggles and fits of jealousy were/are not a feature. They live in a highly resiliant environment that can absorb damage done, and for those who can't get along, there's the option of leaving. In your colony just one person with a grudge and suicidal frame of mind could easily destroy the entire colony.

And even if it did survive into a second or third generation, expecting the people there to adhere faithfully to your plan is simply absurd. They will have their own agenda.

Living as a tribe of Siberian nomads would be far richer and less dehumanizing than living in your underground moon base would be anyway.
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New amen on your last sentence
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New So - Let's sum up your points
  • Small colonies are impossible wherever they go, small groups are intriniscally non-viable. Expansion is impossible away from Earth.

  • It's cheaper to UNDO damage we've done, with unspecified technologies that do NOT exist, change all existing cultures, and it is safer to meddle further with an ecosystem we don't know how to manage now, than to plant seeds elsewhere. This is more viable than to improve existing technologies to go to places out of reach of the coming disaster as a backup. Above all, the attempt should be avoided.

  • A rocket adds so much more (on a global scale) damage to the ecosphere that extra-terrestrial (planetary/lunar) colonies would doom us all. Well, more doomed.

  • Humans having their own agenda is a bad thing. Central planning and control is all - their agenda would certainly have not include survival (the goal involved here).

  • Humanity would be better off with a nomadic/tribal lifestyle - after all it is idyllic and wouldn't have the problems you cite for colonies.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
     the UN said it so it must be true - (boxley) - (36)
         Why - because it will take longer? - (imric) - (35)
             Re: Why - because it will take longer? - (pwhysall) - (6)
                 Won't help. Well. Won't help ENOUGH. - (imric) - (4)
                     Oh, I don't doubt it. - (pwhysall) - (3)
                         What, ever? - (imric) - (2)
                             Eggs & Sperm = Homo Sapiens... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                 Oh, I agree... - (imric)
                 keep the tridents parked - (boxley)
             Getting off the rock won't help those of us still here. - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                 True... - (imric)
             We MUST get off this rock? - (Andrew Grygus) - (25)
                 Umm, so? - (imric) - (24)
                     Pie-in-the-sky - (Andrew Grygus) - (23)
                         Uh huh. - (imric) - (22)
                             Speaking of which... - (admin)
                             A viable, non-toxic backup plan would be nice. - (Andrew Grygus) - (17)
                                 As mentioned before... - (imric) - (16)
                                     Re: As mentioned before... - (Andrew Grygus) - (15)
                                         Completely wrong. - (imric) - (14)
                                             Submarine crews . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (7)
                                                 Sure. Whatever. - (imric) - (6)
                                                     In smaller groups . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                                         OK, wrong again. I am *shocked* - (imric) - (4)
                                                             The death of humanity as a species is a given. - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                                                 amen on your last sentence -NT - (boxley)
                                                                 So - Let's sum up your points - (imric)
                                                             "Mein Fuhrer, I Can Walk!" - (n3jja)
                                             Techno Possibility is subordinate to species mindset, - (Ashton) - (5)
                                                 *sigh* - (imric)
                                                 s/species/society/g -NT - (boxley)
                                                 Remember Biosphere 2? - (dmcarls) - (2)
                                                     Re: Remember Biosphere 2? - (Ashton)
                                                     Wuzzat the one with Pauly Shore? -NT - (drewk)
                             Eventually, we do need to leave. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 Apollo - (imric) - (1)
                                     SpaceShipOne - 100 km at peak of a burnout . . . - (Andrew Grygus)

You can’t fight math. I’ve tried. I lost.
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