Post #274,044
11/27/06 10:00:58 AM
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Up for discussion...
Background: Six immans were ejected from a flight from Minneapolis to Phoenix. Submitted for discussion: Mona Charen: What happened was a shame, but necessary
Media were quick to call it a case of "flying while Muslim," but did they ask what was going through the minds of the other passengers?
Mona Charen
Published: November 27, 2006
Six imams got on a plane in Minneapolis. Accounts vary, but it seems that they were speaking in Arabic before boarding of their disgust with the U.S. war in Iraq and with American policy in general. One was heard to declare that he would do whatever was necessary to fulfill his obligations under the Qur'an.. Another repeated, "Allah, Allah." Once aboard, they aroused suspicion by requesting seat-belt extenders that they did not appear to require and took seats not together but scattered throughout the plane.
... Full editorial [link|http://www.startribune.com/562/story/833103.html|here (IWETHEY/IWETHEY)] I guess I had better not speak any language other than Engrish while at the airport. A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
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Post #274,046
11/27/06 10:28:08 AM
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Interesting
in that it appears that one of those concerned about these 6 spoke Arabic and understood their conversation. Wondering if that passenger was also a Muslim?
Sounds like another case of "spook the passengers"...but the rules for flying are somewhat different. It is not a right to be on that plane. You board at the discretion of the pilot.
Still...if they made it through security,m they should be allowed on the plane just like everybody else.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
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Post #274,049
11/27/06 10:56:29 AM
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Dunno.
Quite often one can get the gist of conversations in foreign languages due to the fact that many English words don't have foreign counterparts. (I did it with my Farsi-speaking colleagues in grad school.) My guess (I haven't read the article) is that an Arabic speaker wasn't required.
I don't know the details about this case, but my feeling is they shouldn't have been removed from the plane.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #274,057
11/27/06 12:08:08 PM
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if they can eject hassids from a plane for praying why not?
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Post #274,200
11/28/06 11:49:28 AM
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I say, ...
ban all flat-earthers. Xians, Jews and Muslims from all aircraft. Hell, if we ban them all from the world, imagine how much more peaceful the place would be.
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #274,205
11/28/06 12:05:45 PM
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Hmmm.
You should read [link|http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004/|Dawkin's latest book], if you haven't already. Atheists are a tiny minority in much of the world. While it's true that determined minorities are usually the ones that change the world, it's a very tough process.
His [link|http://richarddawkins.net/home|blog] is pretty good too.
I think that it's more likely that atheists will be banned from aircraft than theists will.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #274,224
11/28/06 1:22:19 PM
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You're right.
Atheists will be banned from domestic aircraft *way* before the God-In-My-Image crowd. I know this will wrankle a few, but I seriously do not see much of any difference between the following: Islamic Extremists, Christian Evangelicals, Zionists. With any of the three, their respective gods have chosen *them* and just *them*, so anything they do to the rest of us poor slobs is okie-dokie with The Big Guy™.
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #274,218
11/28/06 1:15:47 PM
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If we banned all the theists...
...wars would start over whether the universe will end by collapse or heat death.
Religion is just an excuse.
Odoru aho ni miru aho!
Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
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Post #274,219
11/28/06 1:16:54 PM
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Not an excuse, an opiate. ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #274,221
11/28/06 1:17:33 PM
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Sure doesn't seem to mellow anybody out...
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Post #274,282
11/28/06 9:26:07 PM
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South Park did an episode about that
Three-way war between The United Atheist Alliance, The Unified Atheist League and the Allied Atheist Allegiance in [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go|Go God Go].
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Post #274,285
11/28/06 9:35:05 PM
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IRLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #274284 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=274284|IRLRPD.]
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Post #274,242
11/28/06 4:12:46 PM
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Not any more peaceful at all
Because raving ideologues like yourself (who calls for the death, imprisonment, resettling and treatment as subhumans on a regular basis any he dissaproves of) are not a function of religion, but instead are flaw in humanity. You are a VERY good illustration of this.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #274,430
11/30/06 8:17:40 AM
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Huh?
You're not seriously taking issue with the truth of the following statement:
"More violence has been committed in the name of God than in the name of anything else."
Are you?
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #274,435
11/30/06 8:52:04 AM
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s /God/Greed/
:-)
I think this topic has been pounded on pretty well in the [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=175218|past].
Without being more quantitative this time, it's difficult to make progress on it.
Should we start a table?
Conflict ........... Cause
Tower of Babel ..... ?
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Trojan War ......... Lust
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WWI ................ Hubris (?)
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Iraq War ........... Hubris/Greed/Idealism/Stupidity/Etc.
?
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #274,469
11/30/06 2:47:31 PM
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Thanks. The re-reading was fun.
bcnu,
Mikem
It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #274,477
11/30/06 3:32:14 PM
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Yup.
- I don't believe it's true. Thievery and domestic violence alone over the eons would make for more killings than religious killings and 'crusades'; most wars were and ARE over territory and economics (see greed above).
- That statement has almost ZERO to do with what I said. Fanatic, uncompromising (fundaMENTAList) ideology is certainly not limited to religion - look to socio-economic philosophies as well, like, oh, say socialism, communism & capitalism. Then there's skin-prejudice, nationalism, and any other excuse that Homo-saps use to elevate themelves as different and 'superior' to others. As I said, you are a good illustration; you quite obviously consider yourself to be superior to those that are religious, and would have no trouble with global internment and genocide of those that do not feel as you do - further, you consider people that do not follow your ideology to be inferior to you and should not be allowed self-rule - instead they should be governed by a 'superior' class that shares your particular ideology! (this is all taken from posts you have made in these forums) Quite simply, eliminate religion and people would still be at the same game - they would simply find different excuses.
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #274,295
11/28/06 11:08:11 PM
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Not entirely true...
You can speak any language that you write from left to right....
jb4
"When the final history is written in Iraq, [link|http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2006/tmate060926.gif|it'll look just like a comma.]"
— George W. Bush, 24 Sep 06
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