IGNORE. Nothing to see, move along.

I'll just remove you period. I guess you aren't a reference I can use then.

And with comments like this, you are alienating the very people whom you turned to to assist you in your job search. People who really have no personal stake in whether you actually find a job, but are willing to assist you in that search.

Greg, you asked me to help you by being a reference. I said I was willing to do that, as I have a good knowledge of both what you're looking for, as well as what your strengths are.

I don't recall being notified that my contact information would be posted directly on the web. As I have mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I don't much have a problem with my phone number being on the web, as I myself have done it.

I do have two problems with what you have done with my information.

First, you posted it on your published resume without specifically mentioning that fact to me, and without my express permission beforehand.

Second, that is not the email address that I would prefer material of this nature going to, and I don't recall you asking which address to use for this purpose. Sure, it works. But I prefer to:

1) Keep that email address off the web, as much as possible.
2) Have any kind of work-related email go to mikevitale42@yahoo.com.

Do you see where my problems lie now?

Post #272,032 by folkert 11/3/06 11:14:53 AM 11/3/06 1:15:09 PM Reply	IGNORE. Nothing to see, move along. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned. Edited by folkert Nov. 3, 2006, 12:28:00 PM EST My VC. If anyone wants to review it, [link\|http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddxs894z_197hfmf\|here it is]. Feedback for edits to either the gmail.com or gregfolkert.net e-mail addresses... preferably not here. Overall comments acceptable here. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned. Edited by folkert Nov. 3, 2006, 01:15:09 PM EST My VC. (yes CV) If anyone wants to review it, [link\|http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddxs894z_197hfmf\|here it is]. Feedback for edits to either the gmail.com or gregfolkert.net e-mail addresses... preferably not here. Overall comments acceptable here. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned. Collapse All History
Post #272,033 by hnick 11/3/06 11:19:33 AM Reply	Looks good, but you might want to redact the phone numbers for posting on the open web.
Post #272,037 by Yendor 11/3/06 11:28:16 AM Reply	Why? My resume is posted for all to see on the web. Contains my cell number and home address. I've never gotten a call from some random whacko just to bug me. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,043 by pwhysall 11/3/06 11:35:25 AM Reply	What about non-random wackos? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #272,048 by Yendor 11/3/06 11:57:46 AM Reply	The only non-random whacko to call me just to bug me... ...had an international number, and was calling on or about July 1, 2005. As I recall, that conversation produced a few LRPDs. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,044 by ChrisR 11/3/06 11:36:32 AM Reply	Shunned by random whackos?
Post #272,047 by hnick 11/3/06 11:43:28 AM Reply	Kneejerk paranoia, mostly. I've been sick all week and have a negative default attitude on pretty much everything. Never mind me...
Post #272,034 by tuberculosis 11/3/06 11:21:04 AM 8/21/07 6:24:59 AM Reply	You mean CV [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:24:59 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #272,045 by boxley 11/3/06 11:38:50 AM Reply	suggest references supplied upon request rather than offering them outright. If they are interested they will ask for them. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,049 by Yendor 11/3/06 11:58:43 AM Reply	Agreed with that Especially removing my email address and phone number from your CV. There's a difference between "supplied upon request" and "here you go." -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,051 by folkert 11/3/06 12:38:25 PM Reply	Again, they are demanding these things now. I'll just remove you period. I guess you aren't a reference I can use then. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,060 by Yendor 11/3/06 1:07:20 PM Reply	Re: Again, they are demanding these things now. I'll just remove you period. I guess you aren't a reference I can use then. And with comments like this, you are alienating the very people whom you turned to to assist you in your job search. People who really have no personal stake in whether you actually find a job, but are willing to assist you in that search. Greg, you asked me to help you by being a reference. I said I was willing to do that, as I have a good knowledge of both what you're looking for, as well as what your strengths are. I don't recall being notified that my contact information would be posted directly on the web. As I have mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I don't much have a problem with my phone number being on the web, as I myself have done it. I do have two problems with what you have done with my information. First, you posted it on your published resume without specifically mentioning that fact to me, and without my express permission beforehand. Second, that is not the email address that I would prefer material of this nature going to, and I don't recall you asking which address to use for this purpose. Sure, it works. But I prefer to: 1) Keep that email address off the web, as much as possible. 2) Have any kind of work-related email go to mikevitale42@yahoo.com. Do you see where my problems lie now? -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,061 by folkert 11/3/06 1:10:39 PM 11/3/06 1:14:05 PM Reply	Nope. a yahoo address is not acceptable. Plus you just said you publish that crap on the internet already. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned. Edited by folkert Nov. 3, 2006, 01:14:05 PM EST Expand All History
Post #272,063 by Yendor 11/3/06 1:13:16 PM Reply	Sez who? That's where all my work-related emails go. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,066 by Yendor 11/3/06 1:24:09 PM Reply	Second reply, after your edit Plus you just said you publish that crap on the internet already. Some of "that crap", yes. To my knowledge, the email address that you had provided is not published on the web anywhere. My personal website uses a different email address as my contact information there (webmaster@...). I addressed the point about my phone number directly in the parent post to your reply. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #272,062 by admin 11/3/06 1:12:27 PM Reply	Er, ack... Greg... I'm a reference, absolutely... but please ask before you post this kind of stuff on the web. 1) Wrong phone number. I don't hand out my cell. Use my land line, please. 2) Wrong email address. I don't use my work email for personal stuff. Use my gmail address please. 3) Please don't post my job information at all anywhere. Thanks. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #272,064 by folkert 11/3/06 1:14:30 PM Reply	It is un-published now. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,067 by admin 11/3/06 1:51:43 PM Reply	Thanks, but... That's not what I would use for my contact information regardless. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #272,068 by bepatient 11/3/06 1:57:00 PM Reply	I don't think that was the point. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #272,050 by folkert 11/3/06 12:37:32 PM Reply	References are now being demanded by recruiters, employers and many consulting firms. Period. Things have seriously changed in the Jub hunt arena. Being forthcoming before they ask is being looked upon as a good thing. Lets the "recruiters" do the job faster. You'll garner much goodwill from the "sponsors" if you have them there. Applications for employment are also starting to be required before ANY consideration for perm jobs. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,052 by ChrisR 11/3/06 12:42:32 PM Reply	I keep my references separate Piece of paper by itself, not part of the resume. If requested, I'll provide them... but I like to be a bit choosier about who I supply them to.
Post #272,053 by folkert 11/3/06 12:45:57 PM Reply	Again, you cause another task for recruiters. People helping you find a job. That is not good. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,056 by boxley 11/3/06 12:55:22 PM Reply	are the recruiters getting you interviews? you get me an interview I will supply the references, have seen where recruiters start hustling references for gigs. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,057 by boxley 11/3/06 12:55:47 PM Reply	and feel free to use me if you need to Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,059 by folkert 11/3/06 1:07:15 PM Reply	They are doing better than anything else. I have gotten nothing significant from any other source. "Internet Research Assistant" == Pay the person for the privilege to spam you with nothing but nonsense info. I get bites from "Insurance Managers" saying my CV is a PERFECT fit for selling Life. I get pyramid marketing. Amway offers, Military service jobs. All from Monster, Dice, Hotjobs, Craig's list and other things like this. All of these things have been invaded by people working people that are in bad shape to begin with. Hoping to grab existing CASH from them. This whole marketing yourself thing on the ENTARWEB is a bad thing. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,058 by bepatient 11/3/06 1:03:55 PM Reply	Agree they are required but they are not getting you in the door, which is the purpose of the resume. References by request is still an acceptable practice. Also, last 2 bullets in your experience at your last gig, you need to remove the "I"s and first person references to align them with the first 2 bullets. These things are on your resume, there's no need to say "I did this". Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #272,083 by bionerd 11/3/06 2:56:04 PM Reply	You realize, by telling everyone to IGNORE, they are going to read it with all the more interest. Woo boy. You asked for feedback. Your friends obliged. And then you want to argue. Not very gracious of you.
Post #272,103 by folkert 11/3/06 5:12:02 PM Reply	Not the point in any case -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.

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