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Post #272,050 by folkert 11/3/06 12:37:32 PM Reply	References are now being demanded by recruiters, employers and many consulting firms. Period. Things have seriously changed in the Jub hunt arena. Being forthcoming before they ask is being looked upon as a good thing. Lets the "recruiters" do the job faster. You'll garner much goodwill from the "sponsors" if you have them there. Applications for employment are also starting to be required before ANY consideration for perm jobs. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,052 by ChrisR 11/3/06 12:42:32 PM Reply	I keep my references separate Piece of paper by itself, not part of the resume. If requested, I'll provide them... but I like to be a bit choosier about who I supply them to.
Post #272,053 by folkert 11/3/06 12:45:57 PM Reply	Again, you cause another task for recruiters. People helping you find a job. That is not good. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,056 by boxley 11/3/06 12:55:22 PM Reply	are the recruiters getting you interviews? you get me an interview I will supply the references, have seen where recruiters start hustling references for gigs. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,057 by boxley 11/3/06 12:55:47 PM Reply	and feel free to use me if you need to Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #272,059 by folkert 11/3/06 1:07:15 PM Reply	They are doing better than anything else. I have gotten nothing significant from any other source. "Internet Research Assistant" == Pay the person for the privilege to spam you with nothing but nonsense info. I get bites from "Insurance Managers" saying my CV is a PERFECT fit for selling Life. I get pyramid marketing. Amway offers, Military service jobs. All from Monster, Dice, Hotjobs, Craig's list and other things like this. All of these things have been invaded by people working people that are in bad shape to begin with. Hoping to grab existing CASH from them. This whole marketing yourself thing on the ENTARWEB is a bad thing. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,058 by bepatient 11/3/06 1:03:55 PM Reply	Agree they are required but they are not getting you in the door, which is the purpose of the resume. References by request is still an acceptable practice. Also, last 2 bullets in your experience at your last gig, you need to remove the "I"s and first person references to align them with the first 2 bullets. These things are on your resume, there's no need to say "I did this". Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

IGNORE. Nothing to see, move along. -NT - (folkert) - (27) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:15:09 PM EST

Looks good, but - (hnick) - (5) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:19:33 AM EST

Why? - (Yendor) - (4) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:28:16 AM EST

What about non-random wackos? -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:35:25 AM EST

The only non-random whacko to call me just to bug me... - (Yendor) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:57:46 AM EST

Shunned by random whackos? -NT - (ChrisR) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:36:32 AM EST

Kneejerk paranoia, mostly. - (hnick) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:43:28 AM EST

You mean CV -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:24:59 AM EDT

suggest references supplied upon request - (boxley) - (17) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:38:50 AM EST

Agreed with that - (Yendor) - (9) - Nov. 3, 2006, 11:58:43 AM EST

Again, they are demanding these things now. - (folkert) - (8) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:38:25 PM EST

Re: Again, they are demanding these things now. - (Yendor) - (3) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:07:20 PM EST

Nope. a yahoo address is not acceptable. - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:14:05 PM EST

Sez who? That's where all my work-related emails go. -NT - (Yendor) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:13:16 PM EST

Second reply, after your edit - (Yendor) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:24:09 PM EST

Er, ack... - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:12:27 PM EST

It is un-published now. -NT - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:14:30 PM EST

Thanks, but... - (admin) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:51:43 PM EST

I don't think that was the point. -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:57:00 PM EST

References are - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:37:32 PM EST

I keep my references separate - (ChrisR) - (4) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:42:32 PM EST

Again, you cause another task for recruiters. - (folkert) - (3) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:45:57 PM EST

are the recruiters getting you interviews? - (boxley) - (2) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:55:22 PM EST

and feel free to use me if you need to -NT - (boxley) - Nov. 3, 2006, 12:55:47 PM EST

They are doing better than anything else. - (folkert) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:07:15 PM EST

Agree they are required - (bepatient) - Nov. 3, 2006, 01:03:55 PM EST

You realize, by telling everyone to IGNORE, - (bionerd) - (1) - Nov. 3, 2006, 02:56:04 PM EST

Not the point in any case -NT - (folkert) - Nov. 3, 2006, 05:12:02 PM EST

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