You're dating a midget?

You're talking about people who might *almost* be dwa--uh, Little People, but aren't.

OK, so any arbitrary height limit may be wrong in some cases: What you, Greg, are talking about is a "physical abnormity" (caused by hormones or hormone deficiencies and stuff); the girl Thane (and most of the rest of the gang) was talking about, OTOH, is apparently one of those "physically normal" people who just *happen* to be at the extreme lower end of the "normal" spectrum.

Witth that definition, I can well imagine that there are actually some dw^H^H Little People who are taller than some "normal" people. Weird, innit?

Anyway: I think the girl Thane was talking about would be just a "very little person", without capitals, as opposed to one of the capitalized "Little People".

Sorry Laura. From experience.

Hearing loss diminishes your ability - to hear (I wear hearing aids).
Eyesight loss diminishes your ability - to see (Reading glasses here).

But lack of height is NOT an impairment. Nothing is diminished except the self-esteem of the person who is not of "normal" height.

My ex was 4'10" and VERY sensitive to height "jokes", comments, and remarks. She passed on the gene to our daughters, and has stated, at times, that had she known that our daughters were going to be "short", she would not have had children. When we were divorced, her feelings on height were one of the reasons why I was given custody.

I'll repeat here from earlier post. I've worked very hard to give my daughters a very health self esteem. They are 4'7" and 4'8". Much shorter than the average. And classmates can be cruel. We worked on how to reply to jokes, inappropriate comments and remarks. How to educate the teachers so that they would be treated as an equal, not a toy (they were constantly picked up and carried by classmates, in fun), and that their lack of stature did not mean a lack of mental capacity (both are in the upper 2% on all standard testing). They are both now in college, where they are "on their own", and are doing very well.

Of course they ALWAYS pick the TALLEST person for friends.

Sorry for the rant, but you're talking about my family... :-)

Post #271,937 by tuberculosis 11/2/06 10:11:59 PM 8/21/07 6:19:50 AM Reply	You're dating a midget? [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:19:50 AM EDT You're dating a midget? [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Collapse All History
Post #271,987 by inthane-chan 11/3/06 3:37:48 AM Reply	No, and no. I'm not dating anybody, and the woman I was considering "testing the waters" with, so to say, didn't show tonight, but she is pretty short, even if she isn't a dwarf. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #272,019 by jbrabeck 11/3/06 10:19:19 AM Reply	Ok, so how short is short? My ex was just 4'10". My two daughters are 4'8" and 4'7" (both in college, so probably not much growth left). Ex hated any reference to height. Daughters don't mind. A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)
Post #272,028 by inthane-chan 11/3/06 10:37:47 AM Reply	About 4'10"-4'11". Not entirely sure, but she looks like she's about that tall. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #272,102 by jbrabeck 11/3/06 5:04:34 PM 11/3/06 5:04:57 PM Reply	One word of advice, which you probably already know. Find out what she REALLY thinks about her height. My ex was so sensitive that we actually left a company (mine) Christmas party when someone made an innocent remark about her height. I learned to be very cautious when discussing height. That's also one reason why I ended up with custody of my two daughters. Ex blamed herself (it's genetic - passed from mother) for their lack their height. After divorce I worked with my daughters to give them a positive self esteem and taught them how to counter the crude and crass height remarks made toward them at school. I know it's early in the "relationship", but just wanted to tell you my experiences. Good luck. A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright) Edited by jbrabeck Nov. 3, 2006, 05:04:57 PM EST Expand All History
Post #272,159 by inthane-chan 11/4/06 4:02:16 AM Reply	Already aware. Everybody I've dated in my life (with one exception) was 5'2" or under. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #272,179 by tuberculosis 11/4/06 12:05:18 PM 8/21/07 6:28:28 AM Reply	You're a tall guy though maybe you should "raise your standards". Then you can find someone where you see "eye to eye" on things. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:28 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #272,189 by inthane-chan 11/4/06 12:48:44 PM Reply	Did once. It ended badly. I'm not actually all that preferential on height - just seem to end up with the short ones for some reason. It's not quite as much of a difference as one of my dance instructors - he's about 6'6", and a total bear. His partner is about 4'6", and very pixieish. It was very strange watching them in our aerials class, because he could just toss her around like a sack without any effort, and then we had to do what they had just done. Not fair, I tell ya. Odoru aho ni miru aho! Onaji aho nara odoranya son son!
Post #272,191 by tuberculosis 11/4/06 12:57:55 PM 8/21/07 6:28:58 AM Reply	In San Francisco there was a dance club called the "Tip Toppers". Women over 6' tall looking for dance partners of similar size. Might be a similar one here. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer] Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:58 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #272,192 by tonytib 11/4/06 1:05:16 PM Reply	Maybe you like cutie pies and they tend to be short. My wife is a cutie pie, and she's all of 5'3" - although that might be too tall for you. --Tony
Post #271,994 by bionerd 11/3/06 8:27:07 AM Reply	I think the PC term is little person
Post #271,997 by pwhysall 11/3/06 8:42:46 AM Reply	"Alternately Heighted" Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #272,002 by bionerd 11/3/06 8:57:37 AM Reply	Height impaired?
Post #272,004 by pwhysall 11/3/06 9:16:25 AM Reply	"Impaired" implies a value judgement. You oppressor-matriarch, you. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #272,010 by folkert 11/3/06 9:58:28 AM Reply	Zenith Blighted? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,011 by pwhysall 11/3/06 9:59:13 AM Reply	Value judgements again. Penis-wielding oppressor-matrix occupant. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #272,012 by folkert 11/3/06 10:03:17 AM Reply	No not really Zenith == The peak. Blight == An extremely adverse environmental condition. I don't see how [link\|http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/peter\|Peter]. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,014 by pwhysall 11/3/06 10:06:52 AM Reply	Midgets should be described as "bad weather on mountains"? Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #272,015 by folkert 11/3/06 10:09:25 AM Reply	Yeap. That way, no connotations about being diminutive or limited could be inferred. Bad weather, enduring it. Mountains, being huge in capacity or possibility. See how stupid this gets, the further you go. "Little People" is pretty much the preferred term, given that the group chose it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #272,027 by CRConrad 11/3/06 10:37:30 AM Reply	But you aren't talking about that specific group. You're talking about people who might almost be dwa--uh, Little People, but aren't. OK, so any arbitrary height limit may be wrong in some cases: What you, Greg, are talking about is a "physical abnormity" (caused by hormones or hormone deficiencies and stuff); the girl Thane (and most of the rest of the gang) was talking about, OTOH, is apparently one of those "physically normal" people who just happen to be at the extreme lower end of the "normal" spectrum. Witth that definition, I can well imagine that there are actually some dw^H^H Little People who are taller than some "normal" people. Weird, innit? Anyway: I think the girl Thane was talking about would be just a "very little person", without capitals, as opposed to one of the capitalized "Little People". [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Ah, the Germans: Masters of Convoluted Simplification. — [link\|http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=1603\|Jehovah]
Post #272,071 by bionerd 11/3/06 2:13:58 PM Reply	Me? I'm the opposite of an oppressor What would that make me? A liberator? We have visually impaired. We have hearing impaired. Why cant we have height impaired?
Post #272,073 by ChrisR 11/3/06 2:21:16 PM Reply	Impresser?
Post #272,075 by bionerd 11/3/06 2:27:20 PM Reply	And who exactly would I be impressing? The height impaired? I am 5'6". Maybe they would be impressed by that.
Post #272,076 by ChrisR 11/3/06 2:29:29 PM Reply	5'6"" = Giant in munchkin land?
Post #272,104 by jbrabeck 11/3/06 5:18:01 PM Reply	Rebuttle Sorry Laura. From experience. Hearing loss diminishes your ability - to hear (I wear hearing aids). Eyesight loss diminishes your ability - to see (Reading glasses here). But lack of height is NOT an impairment. Nothing is diminished except the self-esteem of the person who is not of "normal" height. My ex was 4'10" and VERY sensitive to height "jokes", comments, and remarks. She passed on the gene to our daughters, and has stated, at times, that had she known that our daughters were going to be "short", she would not have had children. When we were divorced, her feelings on height were one of the reasons why I was given custody. I'll repeat here from earlier post. I've worked very hard to give my daughters a very health self esteem. They are 4'7" and 4'8". Much shorter than the average. And classmates can be cruel. We worked on how to reply to jokes, inappropriate comments and remarks. How to educate the teachers so that they would be treated as an equal, not a toy (they were constantly picked up and carried by classmates, in fun), and that their lack of stature did not mean a lack of mental capacity (both are in the upper 2% on all standard testing). They are both now in college, where they are "on their own", and are doing very well. Of course they ALWAYS pick the TALLEST person for friends. Sorry for the rant, but you're talking about my family... :-) A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)

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