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Post #267,826

by pwhysall

9/17/06 11:09:13 AM

What other people do doesn't matter. What we do does.

The whole damn point of this exercise in global force-projection is that we have the moral high ground.

The minute we lower ourselves to "their" level, we've lost, no matter what the military outcome.

If we don't win the moral victory, we've won nothing at all.

Post #267,838

by imric

9/17/06 1:31:10 PM

Hear, hear!

Imric's Tips for Living

Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.

Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

Post #267,843

by bepatient

9/17/06 2:49:18 PM

No argument.

Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Post #267,934

by mmoffitt

9/18/06 12:05:21 PM

No.

All we have to do is "further refine meanings." Then we've got the high ground again.

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bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell

Bush pushes on terrorism proposal - (JayMehaffey) - (77) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:43:36 PM EDT

What's to clarify? - (jbrabeck) - (63) - Sept. 15, 2006, 01:27:37 PM EDT

What, specifically, do those things mean? - (bepatient) - (62) - Sept. 15, 2006, 02:52:40 PM EDT

Good points, but... - (jbrabeck) - (52) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:18:17 PM EDT

You and I agree on the SH point - (bepatient) - (51) - Sept. 15, 2006, 04:08:01 PM EDT

That I would agree too. - (jbrabeck) - (50) - Sept. 15, 2006, 05:41:39 PM EDT

What two things are the admin pushing? - (Silverlock) - (49) - Sept. 15, 2006, 06:03:39 PM EDT

Its not >re< definition - (bepatient) - (48) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:49:23 PM EDT

It's not that difficult, IMHO. - (Another Scott) - (36) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:21:26 AM EDT

Gimme a break on that - (bepatient) - (35) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:47:51 AM EDT

I think we're talking past each other. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:02:52 AM EDT

Maybe not - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:39:43 PM EDT

be careful what you wish for.... - (Simon_Jester) - (32) - Sept. 16, 2006, 01:38:32 PM EDT

I am completely fine with that. - (bepatient) - (31) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:50:53 PM EDT

It sure as hell ain't that churchly fornication thing - (Ashton) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:58:53 AM EDT

What about when the "clarification" is used on US troops? - (Silverlock) - (29) - Sept. 17, 2006, 08:07:17 AM EDT

Considering the alternative - (bepatient) - (28) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:08:56 AM EDT

What other people do doesn't matter. What we do does. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:09:13 AM EDT

Hear, hear! -NT - (imric) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:31:10 PM EDT

No argument. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:49:18 PM EDT

No. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:05:21 PM EDT

The altenative to waterboarding is beheading? - (imric) - (22) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:30 PM EDT

Who would be capturing our troops? - (bepatient) - (21) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:50:28 PM EDT

So friggin' what? - (imric) - (20) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:13:31 PM EDT

You are missing the point. - (bepatient) - (19) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:07 PM EDT

FOLLOW ALONG? - (imric) - (18) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:28:06 PM EDT

lest I have to repeat myself again - (bepatient) - (17) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:05:49 PM EDT

And that doesn't matter, dude. - (imric) - (16) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:39:53 PM EDT

Its not a rationalization - (bepatient) - (15) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:47:58 PM EDT

Allow me to repeat myself - (Silverlock) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:02:46 AM EDT

Why not, its more fun. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:03:23 AM EDT

You're troll-fu has been weak for awhile now - (Silverlock) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:08:49 AM EDT

Haven't hit the warning track yet. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:16:52 AM EDT

If it is a simple fact, - (imric) - (10) - Sept. 18, 2006, 07:09:34 AM EDT

I think we've missed his point - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:20:04 AM EDT

Not quite. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:33:54 AM EDT

Nope, you haven't. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:43:46 AM EDT

No - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:42:48 AM EDT

No, it doesn't. - (imric) - (5) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:59:26 AM EDT

All valid points - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 18, 2006, 09:27:22 AM EDT

Please quote what you're responding to. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 10:38:43 AM EDT

Your problem is with who you attribute the desire. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 11:49:06 AM EDT

That's what I was trying to say - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:39:38 PM EDT

And my response was affirmative to you - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:45:44 PM EDT

Technically speaking.... - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:56 PM EDT

This is so inherently a fool's errand, though - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:08:34 AM EDT

Exactly. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:11:39 AM EDT

Clarification defeats the purpose. - (Silverlock) - (8) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:03:29 PM EDT

Sure, I get it - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:52:17 PM EDT

Well, after all - (jake123) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:21:31 PM EDT

It's not like people aren't interrogated all the time. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:56:53 PM EDT

Chuckle - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:32:05 PM EDT

How do you know they're terrorists? - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:09:50 AM EDT

Valid point. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:19:13 AM EDT

Oh, that's OK then. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:06:06 AM EDT

That was nowhere near the point of that post - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:51:48 PM EDT

Don't be evil -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:21:48 PM EDT

the presidents argument is clearly wrong - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:32:28 PM EDT

Wrong? Possibly in extent he took it - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:56:27 PM EDT

It's a long way - (imric) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:43:48 AM EDT

Your being far to generous - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 06:05:26 PM EDT

Yes, and the fact that they can and Did proceed in this way - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:34:40 AM EDT

Right...provable lies - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:53 AM EDT

I never promised you a rose garden. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 06:25:55 AM EDT

I wouldn't want the job. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:44:33 AM EDT

Eventually he'll have to accept what he gets. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:23:18 PM EDT

I hadn't watched The McLauglin shout-extravaganza (PBS) much - (Ashton) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:42:02 AM EDT

everything old is new again (40KB image) - (rcareaga) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 02:31:08 PM EDT

WOW! - (lincoln) - (3) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:04:59 PM EDT

Just lucky, I guess - (rcareaga) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:36:38 PM EDT

Yes, I recognize that little girl - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:40:50 AM EDT

It's Ann Coulter -NT - (imqwerky) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:48:37 AM EDT

You know...this ignores the larger issue.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:45:06 PM EDT

Shush! We gotta protect our Sekrets! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:07:08 PM EDT

What constitutes legal methods in GC and thus US law - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:05:09 PM EDT

Have you seen the Senate Armed Services bill? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:31:50 PM EDT

They shouldn't have caved there. - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:14:38 PM EDT

Tom Malinowski OpEd at the Washington Post. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:42:07 PM EDT

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