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Post #267,803 by pwhysall 9/17/06 3:09:50 AM Reply	How do you know they're terrorists? After all, if I was sleep deprived and had had a couple of beatings and other "coercive interrogation techniques" applied to me (it's a nice way of saying "torture", Bill) then, if I thought I could make it stop by telling my captor that I was a terrorist, I would. And so would most people, which is why torturing people produces results. Only the results are usually fairly useless. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #267,815 by bepatient 9/17/06 10:19:13 AM Reply	Valid point. Some we do, some its certain we don't. And I agree that erring on the side of treating everyone well is the best possible solution. But my point is that the tradeoff is that it will likely cost lives that possibly could have been saved. So while we can sit around and make this a fun discussion, the person responsible and who will be blamed for those lives might have a harder time deciding between those alternatives. Also might have more of a vested interest, since he is also CIC and responsible for the interrogators...in making sure that the rules are clear. Not saying though, that there wouldn't be endless entertainment value in having GWB try to define what is is in an impeachment proceeding or in the Hague ;-) Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}
Post #267,825 by pwhysall 9/17/06 11:06:06 AM Reply	Oh, that's OK then. It'll do the nebulous "saving lives" thing. Break out the bastinado and the rubber hose forthwith! Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator]
Post #267,845 by bepatient 9/17/06 2:51:48 PM Reply	That was nowhere near the point of that post and since you know it...I won't bother to respond. Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry._{Adrian Belew}

Bush pushes on terrorism proposal - (JayMehaffey) - (77) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:43:36 PM EDT

What's to clarify? - (jbrabeck) - (63) - Sept. 15, 2006, 01:27:37 PM EDT

What, specifically, do those things mean? - (bepatient) - (62) - Sept. 15, 2006, 02:52:40 PM EDT

Good points, but... - (jbrabeck) - (52) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:18:17 PM EDT

You and I agree on the SH point - (bepatient) - (51) - Sept. 15, 2006, 04:08:01 PM EDT

That I would agree too. - (jbrabeck) - (50) - Sept. 15, 2006, 05:41:39 PM EDT

What two things are the admin pushing? - (Silverlock) - (49) - Sept. 15, 2006, 06:03:39 PM EDT

Its not >re< definition - (bepatient) - (48) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:49:23 PM EDT

It's not that difficult, IMHO. - (Another Scott) - (36) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:21:26 AM EDT

Gimme a break on that - (bepatient) - (35) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:47:51 AM EDT

I think we're talking past each other. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:02:52 AM EDT

Maybe not - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:39:43 PM EDT

be careful what you wish for.... - (Simon_Jester) - (32) - Sept. 16, 2006, 01:38:32 PM EDT

I am completely fine with that. - (bepatient) - (31) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:50:53 PM EDT

It sure as hell ain't that churchly fornication thing - (Ashton) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:58:53 AM EDT

What about when the "clarification" is used on US troops? - (Silverlock) - (29) - Sept. 17, 2006, 08:07:17 AM EDT

Considering the alternative - (bepatient) - (28) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:08:56 AM EDT

What other people do doesn't matter. What we do does. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:09:13 AM EDT

Hear, hear! -NT - (imric) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:31:10 PM EDT

No argument. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:49:18 PM EDT

No. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:05:21 PM EDT

The altenative to waterboarding is beheading? - (imric) - (22) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:30 PM EDT

Who would be capturing our troops? - (bepatient) - (21) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:50:28 PM EDT

So friggin' what? - (imric) - (20) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:13:31 PM EDT

You are missing the point. - (bepatient) - (19) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:07 PM EDT

FOLLOW ALONG? - (imric) - (18) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:28:06 PM EDT

lest I have to repeat myself again - (bepatient) - (17) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:05:49 PM EDT

And that doesn't matter, dude. - (imric) - (16) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:39:53 PM EDT

Its not a rationalization - (bepatient) - (15) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:47:58 PM EDT

Allow me to repeat myself - (Silverlock) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:02:46 AM EDT

Why not, its more fun. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:03:23 AM EDT

You're troll-fu has been weak for awhile now - (Silverlock) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:08:49 AM EDT

Haven't hit the warning track yet. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:16:52 AM EDT

If it is a simple fact, - (imric) - (10) - Sept. 18, 2006, 07:09:34 AM EDT

I think we've missed his point - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:20:04 AM EDT

Not quite. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:33:54 AM EDT

Nope, you haven't. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:43:46 AM EDT

No - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:42:48 AM EDT

No, it doesn't. - (imric) - (5) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:59:26 AM EDT

All valid points - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 18, 2006, 09:27:22 AM EDT

Please quote what you're responding to. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 10:38:43 AM EDT

Your problem is with who you attribute the desire. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 11:49:06 AM EDT

That's what I was trying to say - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:39:38 PM EDT

And my response was affirmative to you - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:45:44 PM EDT

Technically speaking.... - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:56 PM EDT

This is so inherently a fool's errand, though - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:08:34 AM EDT

Exactly. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:11:39 AM EDT

Clarification defeats the purpose. - (Silverlock) - (8) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:03:29 PM EDT

Sure, I get it - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:52:17 PM EDT

Well, after all - (jake123) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:21:31 PM EDT

It's not like people aren't interrogated all the time. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:56:53 PM EDT

Chuckle - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:32:05 PM EDT

How do you know they're terrorists? - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:09:50 AM EDT

Valid point. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:19:13 AM EDT

Oh, that's OK then. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:06:06 AM EDT

That was nowhere near the point of that post - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:51:48 PM EDT

Don't be evil -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:21:48 PM EDT

the presidents argument is clearly wrong - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:32:28 PM EDT

Wrong? Possibly in extent he took it - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:56:27 PM EDT

It's a long way - (imric) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:43:48 AM EDT

Your being far to generous - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 06:05:26 PM EDT

Yes, and the fact that they can and Did proceed in this way - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:34:40 AM EDT

Right...provable lies - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:53 AM EDT

I never promised you a rose garden. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 06:25:55 AM EDT

I wouldn't want the job. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:44:33 AM EDT

Eventually he'll have to accept what he gets. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:23:18 PM EDT

I hadn't watched The McLauglin shout-extravaganza (PBS) much - (Ashton) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:42:02 AM EDT

everything old is new again (40KB image) - (rcareaga) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 02:31:08 PM EDT

WOW! - (lincoln) - (3) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:04:59 PM EDT

Just lucky, I guess - (rcareaga) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:36:38 PM EDT

Yes, I recognize that little girl - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:40:50 AM EDT

It's Ann Coulter -NT - (imqwerky) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:48:37 AM EDT

You know...this ignores the larger issue.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:45:06 PM EDT

Shush! We gotta protect our Sekrets! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:07:08 PM EDT

What constitutes legal methods in GC and thus US law - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:05:09 PM EDT

Have you seen the Senate Armed Services bill? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:31:50 PM EDT

They shouldn't have caved there. - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:14:38 PM EDT

Tom Malinowski OpEd at the Washington Post. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:42:07 PM EDT

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