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Post #267,768
by JayMehaffey
9/16/06 6:05:26 PM
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New Your being far to generous
There really isn't much to clarify here. The administration is just using the world "clarify" because it sounds better to say "We want to clarify the laws on torture." rather then the honest "We want to remove the laws on torture."

This adiminstration has fought this issue every step of the way. First claiming there was no torture and there wasn't anything to talk about. And then the prison scandel in Iraq shattered that argument. Then they resorted to saying it was all legal because Bush's signing statments over ruled what Congress passed. When it became clear that this argument would not hold up in court, they move to using secret prisons outside the US. Only when it became clear that the secret prisons where not secret any more did they make this move.

Redefining what torture is under US law is simply the next step in this game.

Jay
Post #267,805
by Ashton
9/17/06 5:34:40 AM
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New Yes, and the fact that they can and Did proceed in this way
demonstrates the level of consciousness of the 'electorate' - no, not even that: the level of consciousness of the electorate's putative "Representatives".

One could fill a page with 'Impeachable Offenses' now known to have been committed, with the first significant, provable-Lies.
And No One in this bastion of Freedom and 'democracy' - right-Today!
- even i m a g i n e s that an [multiple] impeachment could be launched.

All while.. one Was Launched by people on the same side of the |sanity| barrier as this cabal and its (still, if diminishing) supporters. For sex between 'adults'.


Just think: January 2009, barring the Extraordinary reversal of gutlessness.
27 Months of unindicted coconspirators in Suits.
Post #267,814
by bepatient
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9/17/06 10:12:53 AM
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New Right...provable lies
Thats a good one.

What...the WMD one? Start impeaching D senators too...or maybe wait till they get elected P..including Kerry and Ms Clinton...because they both spread that lie too.

Have fun reelecting nearly all members of DC that were in office in late 90s.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
Post #267,894
by Ashton
9/18/06 6:25:55 AM
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New I never promised you a rose garden.
Post #267,905
by bepatient
Picture of bepatient
9/18/06 8:44:33 AM
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New I wouldn't want the job.
Too much of today's music is fashionable crap dressed as artistry.Adrian Belew
     Bush pushes on terrorism proposal - (JayMehaffey) - (77) - Sept. 15, 2006, 12:43:36 PM EDT
         What's to clarify? - (jbrabeck) - (63) - Sept. 15, 2006, 01:27:37 PM EDT
             What, specifically, do those things mean? - (bepatient) - (62) - Sept. 15, 2006, 02:52:40 PM EDT
                 Good points, but... - (jbrabeck) - (52) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:18:17 PM EDT
                     You and I agree on the SH point - (bepatient) - (51) - Sept. 15, 2006, 04:08:01 PM EDT
                         That I would agree too. - (jbrabeck) - (50) - Sept. 15, 2006, 05:41:39 PM EDT
                             What two things are the admin pushing? - (Silverlock) - (49) - Sept. 15, 2006, 06:03:39 PM EDT
                                 Its not >re< definition - (bepatient) - (48) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:49:23 PM EDT
                                     It's not that difficult, IMHO. - (Another Scott) - (36) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:21:26 AM EDT
                                         Gimme a break on that - (bepatient) - (35) - Sept. 16, 2006, 12:47:51 AM EDT
                                             I think we're talking past each other. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:02:52 AM EDT
                                                 Maybe not - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:39:43 PM EDT
                                             be careful what you wish for.... - (Simon_Jester) - (32) - Sept. 16, 2006, 01:38:32 PM EDT
                                                 I am completely fine with that. - (bepatient) - (31) - Sept. 16, 2006, 03:50:53 PM EDT
                                                     It sure as hell ain't that churchly fornication thing - (Ashton) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:58:53 AM EDT
                                                     What about when the "clarification" is used on US troops? - (Silverlock) - (29) - Sept. 17, 2006, 08:07:17 AM EDT
                                                         Considering the alternative - (bepatient) - (28) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:08:56 AM EDT
                                                             What other people do doesn't matter. What we do does. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:09:13 AM EDT
                                                                 Hear, hear! -NT - (imric) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:31:10 PM EDT
                                                                 No argument. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:49:18 PM EDT
                                                                 No. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:05:21 PM EDT
                                                             The altenative to waterboarding is beheading? - (imric) - (22) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:30 PM EDT
                                                                 Who would be capturing our troops? - (bepatient) - (21) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:50:28 PM EDT
                                                                     So friggin' what? - (imric) - (20) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:13:31 PM EDT
                                                                         You are missing the point. - (bepatient) - (19) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:07 PM EDT
                                                                             FOLLOW ALONG? - (imric) - (18) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:28:06 PM EDT
                                                                                 lest I have to repeat myself again - (bepatient) - (17) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:05:49 PM EDT
                                                                                     And that doesn't matter, dude. - (imric) - (16) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:39:53 PM EDT
                                                                                         Its not a rationalization - (bepatient) - (15) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:47:58 PM EDT
                                                                                             Allow me to repeat myself - (Silverlock) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:02:46 AM EDT
                                                                                                 Why not, its more fun. -NT - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:03:23 AM EDT
                                                                                                     You're troll-fu has been weak for awhile now - (Silverlock) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:08:49 AM EDT
                                                                                                         Haven't hit the warning track yet. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 12:16:52 AM EDT
                                                                                             If it is a simple fact, - (imric) - (10) - Sept. 18, 2006, 07:09:34 AM EDT
                                                                                                 I think we've missed his point - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:20:04 AM EDT
                                                                                                     Not quite. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:33:54 AM EDT
                                                                                                         Nope, you haven't. - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:43:46 AM EDT
                                                                                                 No - (bepatient) - (6) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:42:48 AM EDT
                                                                                                     No, it doesn't. - (imric) - (5) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:59:26 AM EDT
                                                                                                         All valid points - (bepatient) - (4) - Sept. 18, 2006, 09:27:22 AM EDT
                                                                                                             Please quote what you're responding to. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 18, 2006, 10:38:43 AM EDT
                                                                                                                 Your problem is with who you attribute the desire. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 18, 2006, 11:49:06 AM EDT
                                                                                                                     That's what I was trying to say - (jbrabeck) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:39:38 PM EDT
                                                                                                                         And my response was affirmative to you - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 01:45:44 PM EDT
                                                             Technically speaking.... - (Simon_Jester) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:30:56 PM EDT
                                     This is so inherently a fool's errand, though - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:08:34 AM EDT
                                         Exactly. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:11:39 AM EDT
                                     Clarification defeats the purpose. - (Silverlock) - (8) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:03:29 PM EDT
                                         Sure, I get it - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:52:17 PM EDT
                                             Well, after all - (jake123) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:21:31 PM EDT
                                             It's not like people aren't interrogated all the time. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 16, 2006, 09:56:53 PM EDT
                                                 Chuckle - (bepatient) - Sept. 16, 2006, 10:32:05 PM EDT
                                             How do you know they're terrorists? - (pwhysall) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:09:50 AM EDT
                                                 Valid point. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:19:13 AM EDT
                                                     Oh, that's OK then. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:06:06 AM EDT
                                                         That was nowhere near the point of that post - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:51:48 PM EDT
                 Don't be evil -NT - (Silverlock) - Sept. 15, 2006, 03:21:48 PM EDT
                 the presidents argument is clearly wrong - (boxley) - (2) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:32:28 PM EDT
                     Wrong? Possibly in extent he took it - (bepatient) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:56:27 PM EDT
                         It's a long way - (imric) - Sept. 16, 2006, 08:43:48 AM EDT
                 Your being far to generous - (JayMehaffey) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 06:05:26 PM EDT
                     Yes, and the fact that they can and Did proceed in this way - (Ashton) - (3) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:34:40 AM EDT
                         Right...provable lies - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:12:53 AM EDT
                             I never promised you a rose garden. -NT - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 18, 2006, 06:25:55 AM EDT
                                 I wouldn't want the job. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 18, 2006, 08:44:33 AM EDT
         Eventually he'll have to accept what he gets. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Sept. 15, 2006, 09:23:18 PM EDT
             I hadn't watched The McLauglin shout-extravaganza (PBS) much - (Ashton) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:42:02 AM EDT
         everything old is new again (40KB image) - (rcareaga) - (4) - Sept. 16, 2006, 02:31:08 PM EDT
             WOW! - (lincoln) - (3) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:04:59 PM EDT
                 Just lucky, I guess - (rcareaga) - (2) - Sept. 16, 2006, 05:36:38 PM EDT
                     Yes, I recognize that little girl - - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:40:50 AM EDT
                         It's Ann Coulter -NT - (imqwerky) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:48:37 AM EDT
         You know...this ignores the larger issue.... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Sept. 17, 2006, 01:45:06 PM EDT
             Shush! We gotta protect our Sekrets! - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 02:07:08 PM EDT
             What constitutes legal methods in GC and thus US law - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 17, 2006, 03:05:09 PM EDT
                 Have you seen the Senate Armed Services bill? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Sept. 17, 2006, 05:31:50 PM EDT
                     They shouldn't have caved there. - (bepatient) - Sept. 17, 2006, 10:14:38 PM EDT
         Tom Malinowski OpEd at the Washington Post. - (Another Scott) - Sept. 17, 2006, 11:42:07 PM EDT

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