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Post #264,134 by tuberculosis 8/7/06 6:24:18 PM Reply	Worse Down 30% in raw dollars - no tweaks to account for inflation, rise in home prices, etc. Change measure: Salary as median home price multiple: Gone from 1/2 to 1/5 in ten years. Waaaaay fuckin' worse. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]
Post #264,142 by tonytib 8/7/06 7:34:23 PM Reply	That's not a realistic metric it should be salary as medium home price RENT multiple -- we've been in a massive real estate bubble (caused by loose lending, low rates, ARM/Option ARM/I-O lones, etc), and it's just started to unwind in SD, LA, Bay Area, south FL, Boston, etc. Seattle is trailing California, but house prices will go down there, too. I've already seen the price reduced signs out in the Bay Area, and we're trailing San Diego. --Tony
Post #264,151 by tuberculosis 8/7/06 10:24:22 PM Reply	Just makes it worse telling me I'm headed upside down in my house doesn't make me feel any better off. I still gotta pay what I bought it for. Only now the equity will vanish. Greeeaaaaat. And 30% is a fine metric thankyouverymuch. [link\|http://www.blackbagops.net\|Black Bag Operations Log] [link\|http://www.objectiveclips.com\|Artificial Intelligence] [link\|http://www.badpage.info/seaside/html\|Scrutinizer]

Men dropping out of work force - (JayMehaffey) - (102) - July 31, 2006, 09:35:52 AM EDT

Of course it points that out - (bepatient) - (88) - July 31, 2006, 11:31:01 AM EDT

Exactly. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - July 31, 2006, 11:58:14 AM EDT

Ah, so its a GOD given right - (bepatient) - (5) - July 31, 2006, 12:09:10 PM EDT

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2006, 09:50:37 PM EDT

Somehow I think you misinterpreted - (bepatient) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:05:35 PM EDT

Oh, and another thing. - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:18:51 PM EDT

You think people don't take pay cuts today? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 6, 2006, 07:50:32 PM EDT

You are confused - (bepatient) - Aug. 6, 2006, 08:56:45 PM EDT

Wow, almost perfectly opposite impression - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - July 31, 2006, 12:04:23 PM EDT

Huh? - (drewk) - July 31, 2006, 12:12:04 PM EDT

Timing of publication and the publication itself. - (bepatient) - (78) - July 31, 2006, 12:13:24 PM EDT

Ferchrissakes. - (mmoffitt) - (77) - Aug. 4, 2006, 09:55:06 PM EDT

Apologist for whom, exactly? - (bepatient) - (76) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:10:19 PM EDT

lowest unemployment in years, I agree - (boxley) - (75) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:17:58 PM EDT

Saw this a while back - (bepatient) - (74) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:39:56 PM EDT

crock o sommat - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:54:30 PM EDT

doesn't jibe with the figures - (bepatient) - Aug. 5, 2006, 01:54:00 AM EDT

It's the nature of averages... - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2006, 09:52:34 AM EDT

Same error both sides - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2006, 11:59:11 AM EDT

Both sides are correct - (broomberg) - Aug. 5, 2006, 05:44:54 PM EDT

possible nit - (boxley) - (68) - Aug. 6, 2006, 09:48:08 PM EDT

other places too - (bepatient) - (66) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:05:49 PM EDT

P1ss on that. - (imric) - (65) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:16:47 PM EDT

I can finger just as many - (bepatient) - (64) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:29:16 AM EDT

100% - (imric) - (63) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:18:24 AM EDT

Let's take a poll: Better or Worse Worse - (imqwerky) - (62) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:33:35 AM EDT

Better. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:24:40 AM EDT

Considering Cost of Living even? - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:05:33 AM EDT

Yup. - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:27:32 PM EDT

7/8 of what I was making in 1998 - (boxley) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:29:24 AM EDT

Depends on what you mean by better - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:33:48 AM EDT

Seconded - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:47:14 AM EDT

Thirded - (lincoln) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:25 PM EDT

Better - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:09:42 AM EDT

Don't I wish - (drewk) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:24:48 AM EDT

IT did have a bubble that is well burst - (boxley) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:25:53 AM EDT

Worse - (bionerd) - (9) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:38:34 AM EDT

By what measure then? - (bepatient) - (8) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:07:39 AM EDT

While she considers herself better off, - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:28:58 AM EDT

true nuff -NT - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:34:16 AM EDT

It's a double-edged sword. - (bionerd) - (5) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:36:31 AM EDT

Now wait just a minute - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:44:48 AM EDT

Hold on there, babalooey. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Sept. 5, 2006, 04:59:15 PM EDT

I didn't. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 5, 2006, 06:38:07 PM EDT

Last on this. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 7, 2006, 10:35:53 AM EDT

2 sides in every negotiation. Mgt caved. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 7, 2006, 12:04:46 PM EDT

Better - (SpiceWare) - (36) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:42:43 AM EDT

Which all begs the question - (drewk) - (35) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:51:47 AM EDT

Re: Which all begs the question - (bepatient) - (34) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:06:24 AM EDT

I'll disagree on that - (drewk) - (30) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:59:28 AM EDT

But we don't want pollution in our yard - (tonytib) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:14:13 PM EDT

That's where it gets tricky - (drewk) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:32:53 PM EDT

It's not just NIMBY. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:37:17 PM EDT

Doesn't solve core issue - (bepatient) - (13) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:25:02 PM EDT

I definitely agree with one point - (jake123) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:08:46 PM EDT

What would you train them to be? - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:56:41 PM EDT

Welders, mechanics, operators (machine), butchers, bakers - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:35:24 PM EDT

ROFL! Not what I meant at all! - (imric) - (6) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:35:19 PM EDT

He forgot candlestick maker too :0) - (imqwerky) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:40:45 PM EDT

Now this ought to be interesting coming from me. - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:51:19 PM EDT

Problem with "earning a living" - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:50 PM EDT

Been there, too. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:19:28 PM EDT

Dupe (How'd that happen?) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:20:28 PM EDT

Nah - my point - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:44:14 PM EDT

Butchers aren't happening either... - (hnick) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:52 PM EDT

Actually not as bad around here - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:32:29 PM EDT

Well, it's 2 out of 3 of the dominant chains here. - (hnick) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:43:37 PM EDT

I'll second that - (imqwerky) - (12) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:24:32 PM EDT

You are. -NT - (bepatient) - (11) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:49:37 PM EDT

I beg to differ. - (imqwerky) - (3) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:03:28 PM EDT

Beg all you like - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:09:39 PM EDT

No, I won't - (imqwerky) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:19:07 PM EDT

You may want - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:28:14 PM EDT

And so are you. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:31:23 PM EDT

:-) - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:42:34 PM EDT

Which goes to the point I made to Drew -NT - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:44:17 PM EDT

"All-American" content is not smart - (tonytib) - (3) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:00:50 PM EDT

Actually, iirc - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:04:03 PM EDT

No, public company on the NASDAQ - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:18:34 PM EDT

ok. thought it was - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:33:43 PM EDT

The gains made by the few bring the averages up. -NT - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:50:50 PM EDT

Thats what the other link was for - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:26:03 PM EDT

No? - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:59:29 PM EDT

Depends on your take of the situation... - (Yendor) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:57:00 AM EDT

Worse. Much worse. -NT - (Silverlock) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:17:18 PM EDT

Worse - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 06:24:18 PM EDT

That's not a realistic metric - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:34:23 PM EDT

Just makes it worse - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:24:22 PM EDT

Funny that I know so many in NJ - (imric) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:08:57 PM EDT

Ah, now I see where this is going - (JayMehaffey) - (12) - Aug. 3, 2006, 04:06:00 PM EDT

Matters not. - (imric) - (6) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:37:14 PM EDT

You got that right. -NT - (imqwerky) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:38:03 PM EDT

you forgot the outlaws -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:46:38 PM EDT

True. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 4, 2006, 01:15:20 AM EDT

And the lawyers ... or is that redundant? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 6, 2006, 10:33:02 PM EDT

CAN they be 'outlaws? - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:17:50 PM EDT

Think about it - (drewk) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:33:06 PM EDT

I wish the NYT didn't make you pay for access - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2006, 05:28:53 PM EDT

The Smirking Chimp has it. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 4, 2006, 05:39:48 PM EDT

That Brooks is a talking head-up-ass on PBS - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2006, 06:04:18 PM EDT

Isn't about 95% of that piece tongue in cheek? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2006, 06:23:14 PM EDT

It could be his idea of subtlety, I suppose - (Ashton) - Aug. 4, 2006, 08:20:12 PM EDT

Too bad dark languages rarely survive...
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