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Post #264,116

8/7/06 4:51:19 PM

Are either of those 2 gents in the related union for those services?

I got mid 20's boys here laying carpets and earning a living. Home Depot will match Ron's 15 and give him benefits.

So you still contend that the only way to "make it" is to go corp or IT. (I know this isn't the case...but that seems to be the conclusion from the posts).

And, btw [link|http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/swzl_compresult_national_SC16000075.html|Ron's underpaid]

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Post #264,120

by drewk

8/7/06 5:10:50 PM

Problem with "earning a living"

The thing about climbing the ladder is that the it only passes overhead every so often. If you don't grab that bottom rung and start up, it may be years before you get another chance to move beyond just "earning a living".

I think that's why a lot of the people mentioned in that article way up in this thread have dropped out of the game. They know that once they accept a job that allows them to "earn a living" they're ineligible for getting back on the ladder.

Okay, the metaphor is getting clunky. But the reality is there were times when I was unemployed and I didn't even look at the listings for the entry-level positions. Sure, I could have earned a living doing them. But it would have set me back years in my career. It's perverse, but it's more acceptable to have a several-month gap on a resume than it is to have a period of underemployment.

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Post #264,123

by Another Scott

8/7/06 5:19:28 PM

Been there, too.

Post #264,124

by Another Scott

8/7/06 5:19:35 PM

8/7/06 5:20:28 PM

Dupe (How'd that happen?)

Edited by Another Scott Aug. 7, 2006, 05:20:28 PM EDT

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Post #264,131

by imric

8/7/06 5:44:14 PM

Nah - my point

is that all the training in the world isn't gonna fix the economy if the paying jobs aren't there in the first place. We'll just have desparate, highly trained underemployed and underpaid people.

Further - training for management jobs is a dead-end, too. Eventually, as the ability for the masses to consume dries up, the industries that cater to our market will also dry up.

And - Unions? Like it or not, most of THEM are useless anymore. Regardless of how much you may want them to be a whipping boy. Talk to Riiich about THAT one. They take dues and bend over for management, most of the time.

And as for Ron being underpaid? Perhaps he shouldn't take the only jobs he can find, and instead should sit around doing nothing and wait for a magic job to appear that's on that chart?

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