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by broomberg

8/5/06 5:44:54 PM

Both sides are correct

Entry level / general tech / few day trainable skill jobs are shrinking.

The VERY entry level clerical jobs are automated out of existance. I've been doing that for years, which means fewer people get a lot more work done. I've just spend 90 minutes writing a Perl script that automates 2 full time jobs out of existance. Yup, I'm scum.

Entry level factory jobs are either mechanized or moved off-shore. Or both.

So, there are more people available at that level, which depresses wages for anyone left still employed.

Executive / management / very specialized skillset demands are growing. The pool of people that reach this level seems stagnant, which means really good people are always in demand and command a serious salary.

Men dropping out of work force - (JayMehaffey) - (102) - July 31, 2006, 09:35:52 AM EDT

Of course it points that out - (bepatient) - (88) - July 31, 2006, 11:31:01 AM EDT

Exactly. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - July 31, 2006, 11:58:14 AM EDT

Ah, so its a GOD given right - (bepatient) - (5) - July 31, 2006, 12:09:10 PM EDT

Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2006, 09:50:37 PM EDT

Somehow I think you misinterpreted - (bepatient) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:05:35 PM EDT

Oh, and another thing. - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:18:51 PM EDT

You think people don't take pay cuts today? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 6, 2006, 07:50:32 PM EDT

You are confused - (bepatient) - Aug. 6, 2006, 08:56:45 PM EDT

Wow, almost perfectly opposite impression - (JayMehaffey) - (80) - July 31, 2006, 12:04:23 PM EDT

Huh? - (drewk) - July 31, 2006, 12:12:04 PM EDT

Timing of publication and the publication itself. - (bepatient) - (78) - July 31, 2006, 12:13:24 PM EDT

Ferchrissakes. - (mmoffitt) - (77) - Aug. 4, 2006, 09:55:06 PM EDT

Apologist for whom, exactly? - (bepatient) - (76) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:10:19 PM EDT

lowest unemployment in years, I agree - (boxley) - (75) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:17:58 PM EDT

Saw this a while back - (bepatient) - (74) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:39:56 PM EDT

crock o sommat - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2006, 10:54:30 PM EDT

doesn't jibe with the figures - (bepatient) - Aug. 5, 2006, 01:54:00 AM EDT

It's the nature of averages... - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2006, 09:52:34 AM EDT

Same error both sides - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2006, 11:59:11 AM EDT

Both sides are correct - (broomberg) - Aug. 5, 2006, 05:44:54 PM EDT

possible nit - (boxley) - (68) - Aug. 6, 2006, 09:48:08 PM EDT

other places too - (bepatient) - (66) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:05:49 PM EDT

P1ss on that. - (imric) - (65) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:16:47 PM EDT

I can finger just as many - (bepatient) - (64) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:29:16 AM EDT

100% - (imric) - (63) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:18:24 AM EDT

Let's take a poll: Better or Worse Worse - (imqwerky) - (62) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:33:35 AM EDT

Better. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:24:40 AM EDT

Considering Cost of Living even? - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:05:33 AM EDT

Yup. - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:27:32 PM EDT

7/8 of what I was making in 1998 - (boxley) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:29:24 AM EDT

Depends on what you mean by better - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:33:48 AM EDT

Seconded - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 09:47:14 AM EDT

Thirded - (lincoln) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:25 PM EDT

Better - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:09:42 AM EDT

Don't I wish - (drewk) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:24:48 AM EDT

IT did have a bubble that is well burst - (boxley) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:25:53 AM EDT

Worse - (bionerd) - (9) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:38:34 AM EDT

By what measure then? - (bepatient) - (8) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:07:39 AM EDT

While she considers herself better off, - (SpiceWare) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:28:58 AM EDT

true nuff -NT - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:34:16 AM EDT

It's a double-edged sword. - (bionerd) - (5) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:36:31 AM EDT

Now wait just a minute - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:44:48 AM EDT

Hold on there, babalooey. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Sept. 5, 2006, 04:59:15 PM EDT

I didn't. - (bepatient) - (2) - Sept. 5, 2006, 06:38:07 PM EDT

Last on this. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 7, 2006, 10:35:53 AM EDT

2 sides in every negotiation. Mgt caved. -NT - (bepatient) - Sept. 7, 2006, 12:04:46 PM EDT

Better - (SpiceWare) - (36) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:42:43 AM EDT

Which all begs the question - (drewk) - (35) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:51:47 AM EDT

Re: Which all begs the question - (bepatient) - (34) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:06:24 AM EDT

I'll disagree on that - (drewk) - (30) - Aug. 7, 2006, 11:59:28 AM EDT

But we don't want pollution in our yard - (tonytib) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:14:13 PM EDT

That's where it gets tricky - (drewk) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:32:53 PM EDT

It's not just NIMBY. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:37:17 PM EDT

Doesn't solve core issue - (bepatient) - (13) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:25:02 PM EDT

I definitely agree with one point - (jake123) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:08:46 PM EDT

What would you train them to be? - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:56:41 PM EDT

Welders, mechanics, operators (machine), butchers, bakers - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:35:24 PM EDT

ROFL! Not what I meant at all! - (imric) - (6) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:35:19 PM EDT

He forgot candlestick maker too :0) - (imqwerky) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:40:45 PM EDT

Now this ought to be interesting coming from me. - (bepatient) - (4) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:51:19 PM EDT

Problem with "earning a living" - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:50 PM EDT

Been there, too. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:19:28 PM EDT

Dupe (How'd that happen?) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:20:28 PM EDT

Nah - my point - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:44:14 PM EDT

Butchers aren't happening either... - (hnick) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:10:52 PM EDT

Actually not as bad around here - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:32:29 PM EDT

Well, it's 2 out of 3 of the dominant chains here. - (hnick) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:43:37 PM EDT

I'll second that - (imqwerky) - (12) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:24:32 PM EDT

You are. -NT - (bepatient) - (11) - Aug. 7, 2006, 01:49:37 PM EDT

I beg to differ. - (imqwerky) - (3) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:03:28 PM EDT

Beg all you like - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:09:39 PM EDT

No, I won't - (imqwerky) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:19:07 PM EDT

You may want - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 05:28:14 PM EDT

And so are you. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:31:23 PM EDT

:-) - (Another Scott) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:42:34 PM EDT

Which goes to the point I made to Drew -NT - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:44:17 PM EDT

"All-American" content is not smart - (tonytib) - (3) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:00:50 PM EDT

Actually, iirc - (bepatient) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:04:03 PM EDT

No, public company on the NASDAQ - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:18:34 PM EDT

ok. thought it was - (bepatient) - Aug. 7, 2006, 04:33:43 PM EDT

The gains made by the few bring the averages up. -NT - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 02:50:50 PM EDT

Thats what the other link was for - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:26:03 PM EDT

No? - (imric) - Aug. 7, 2006, 03:59:29 PM EDT

Depends on your take of the situation... - (Yendor) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:57:00 AM EDT

Worse. Much worse. -NT - (Silverlock) - Aug. 7, 2006, 12:17:18 PM EDT

Worse - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 7, 2006, 06:24:18 PM EDT

That's not a realistic metric - (tonytib) - (1) - Aug. 7, 2006, 07:34:23 PM EDT

Just makes it worse - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 7, 2006, 10:24:22 PM EDT

Funny that I know so many in NJ - (imric) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:08:57 PM EDT

Ah, now I see where this is going - (JayMehaffey) - (12) - Aug. 3, 2006, 04:06:00 PM EDT

Matters not. - (imric) - (6) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:37:14 PM EDT

You got that right. -NT - (imqwerky) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:38:03 PM EDT

you forgot the outlaws -NT - (boxley) - (4) - Aug. 3, 2006, 05:46:38 PM EDT

True. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 4, 2006, 01:15:20 AM EDT

And the lawyers ... or is that redundant? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 6, 2006, 10:33:02 PM EDT

CAN they be 'outlaws? - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:17:50 PM EDT

Think about it - (drewk) - Aug. 6, 2006, 11:33:06 PM EDT

I wish the NYT didn't make you pay for access - (lincoln) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2006, 05:28:53 PM EDT

The Smirking Chimp has it. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 4, 2006, 05:39:48 PM EDT

That Brooks is a talking head-up-ass on PBS - (Ashton) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2006, 06:04:18 PM EDT

Isn't about 95% of that piece tongue in cheek? - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2006, 06:23:14 PM EDT

It could be his idea of subtlety, I suppose - (Ashton) - Aug. 4, 2006, 08:20:12 PM EDT

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