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Post #26,317
by bepatient
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1/29/02 11:23:03 AM
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New Then why don't you try it sometime
They are afforded the rights contained in the Convention. NOT the rights of POWs per the Convention.

The GC is much more than just a document covering POW treatment. And it establishes minimum standards for treatment...which you still can't seem to show are being violated.

And you seemed to NOT read the direct quote I gave from the Geneva Convention regarding those detained that pose security risk. They are DENIED communication rights and are afforded only the full rights of the Convention after it has been determined that they pose no further risk.

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Post #26,321
by Brandioch
1/29/02 11:39:09 AM
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New You see, I can read and you're illiterate.
Oh, so tell me what rights they have then, as "illegal combatants".

Then tell me what rights POW's have.

Then compare/contrast the two.
Post #26,322
by bepatient
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1/29/02 11:45:51 AM
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New I already gave you your homework assignment
Also showed you where basic Geneva provisions can be denied based upon security concerns of the captors.

So...if you don't mind...show me where basic Geneva treatment is being violated? You're the expert, right?

They are not POW and don't qualify for POW protection. They qualify for basic Geneva protection. Humane treatment, medical care, etc. Those basic protections can be even further limited...appropriate Geneva language was quoted more than 2 posts back. Or can't you follow that far either?

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Post #26,329
by Brandioch
1/29/02 12:15:38 PM
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New And we, once again, come back to my point.
That's right.

The prisoner's are to be treated as if they were POW's.

But you don't want that.

You want these "security" issues to be used to remove their rights.

Which is a problem with the GC.
Post #26,352
by bepatient
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1/29/02 1:48:55 PM
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New No we haven't
They are to be afforded basic treatment per the Geneva Convention.

That is NOT the same as being treated as a POW. POW status grants MORE protection than basic Geneva protection.

Those "security" provisions ARE IN THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

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     To summarize. - (Brandioch) - (106) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:06:55 PM EST
         to brandyise - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:19:23 PM EST
             I have a mouse in my pocket. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:33:12 PM EST
         Why such sweeping assumptions? - (Mike) - (103) - Jan. 24, 2002, 03:45:33 PM EST
             *sigh* - (Brandioch) - (98) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:04:27 PM EST
                 Dont *sigh* - read and learn - (Mike) - (97) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:46:08 PM EST
                     That's because it was covered already. - (Brandioch) - (73) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:53:06 PM EST
                         Said it was my last but I'm hooked now - (Mike) - (72) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:13:54 PM EST
                             Okay. - (Brandioch) - (71) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:55:45 PM EST
                                 I'll see your "Okay" and raise you - (Mike) - (68) - Jan. 24, 2002, 10:09:37 PM EST
                                     Summary. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Jan. 25, 2002, 12:03:16 AM EST
                                         Summary Part II - (Mike) - (4) - Jan. 25, 2002, 08:41:35 AM EST
                                             I think my above post was correct. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Jan. 25, 2002, 02:42:52 PM EST
                                                 No - (Mike) - (2) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:31:01 PM EST
                                                     Yes. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:50:19 PM EST
                                                     We're all done - (Mike) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:11:39 PM EST
                                     The US purports to be defending "freedom". Everywhere. - (Ashton) - (61) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:52:18 AM EST
                                         Enjoyed your post....but - (Mike) - (60) - Jan. 25, 2002, 10:56:07 AM EST
                                             Check the treatment of POW's. - (Brandioch) - (56) - Jan. 25, 2002, 03:43:19 PM EST
                                                 Let me get this straight........ - (Mike) - (55) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:05:31 PM EST
                                                     You might want to read his post again. - (Simon_Jester) - (54) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:14:01 PM EST
                                                         You're right - (Mike) - (53) - Jan. 25, 2002, 11:16:02 PM EST
                                                             It's so sad when you have to resort to oocq's. - (Brandioch) - (52) - Jan. 26, 2002, 01:26:28 PM EST
                                                                 Brandi - its okay to be wrong...... - (Mike) - (51) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:28:22 PM EST
                                                                     Post-war treatment.___Indeed. - (Ashton) - Jan. 27, 2002, 05:32:19 AM EST
                                                                     Did that feel good to you? - (Brandioch) - (49) - Jan. 27, 2002, 01:00:28 PM EST
                                                                         Dude, it felt freakin' awesome. - (Mike) - (48) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:32:24 PM EST
                                                                             Then I am sorry for you. - (Brandioch) - (47) - Jan. 28, 2002, 01:47:16 AM EST
                                                                                 Re: Then I am sorry for you. - (Mike) - (22) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:31:36 PM EST
                                                                                     Believe that if you wish to. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Jan. 28, 2002, 09:59:07 AM EST
                                                                                         Believe that if you wish to. - (Mike) - (20) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:30:36 PM EST
                                                                                             Please change your "PS" sig. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Jan. 28, 2002, 01:06:24 PM EST
                                                                                                 Done - (Mike) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:35:03 PM EST
                                                                                                     Vielen danke. -NT - (Another Scott) - Jan. 28, 2002, 05:11:37 PM EST
                                                                                             Ummm, you're wrong. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Jan. 28, 2002, 01:26:41 PM EST
                                                                                                 One more time around - (Mike) - (2) - Jan. 28, 2002, 02:19:58 PM EST
                                                                                                     The phrasing, not the position. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2002, 02:36:51 PM EST
                                                                                                         Mmmmmm much better - (Mike) - Jan. 28, 2002, 03:14:40 PM EST
                                                                                                 And..... - (Mike) - (12) - Jan. 28, 2002, 02:58:41 PM EST
                                                                                                     Again? - (Brandioch) - (11) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:09:38 PM EST
                                                                                                         Dancing on the head of a pin - (Mike) - (10) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:22:41 PM EST
                                                                                                             You post lacks content. - (Brandioch) - (9) - Jan. 28, 2002, 05:15:18 PM EST
                                                                                                                 You are a naughty boy - (Mike) - (8) - Jan. 28, 2002, 06:19:02 PM EST
                                                                                                                     I think my original posts were clear enough. - (Brandioch) - (7) - Jan. 28, 2002, 06:43:42 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Brandioch: >I< never said that we >NEVER< did such - (Mike) - (6) - Jan. 28, 2002, 07:15:17 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Again, the two post rule applies. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Jan. 28, 2002, 07:56:02 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 What POWs? -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2002, 08:05:37 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     Those POW's. -NT - (Brandioch) - Jan. 28, 2002, 08:16:21 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 Bring out the context - (Mike) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2002, 08:07:34 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     Incidentally, Mike... - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2002, 11:57:17 AM EST
                                                                                                                                         Thanks...another supporting link attached - (Mike) - Jan. 29, 2002, 01:25:25 PM EST
                                                                                 Just FYI - (Mike) - (23) - Jan. 28, 2002, 09:45:12 AM EST
                                                                                     I don't expect you to see the difference. - (Brandioch) - (22) - Jan. 28, 2002, 09:53:20 AM EST
                                                                                         Because thats not what you did. - (bepatient) - (21) - Jan. 28, 2002, 10:06:08 AM EST
                                                                                             Thank you. - (Brandioch) - (20) - Jan. 28, 2002, 11:49:00 AM EST
                                                                                                 No problem.... - (bepatient) - (19) - Jan. 28, 2002, 12:41:48 PM EST
                                                                                                     Flattered? - (Brandioch) - (18) - Jan. 28, 2002, 12:54:17 PM EST
                                                                                                         Gospel according to Brandioch... - (bepatient) - (17) - Jan. 28, 2002, 02:01:28 PM EST
                                                                                                             I am humbled before God. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Jan. 28, 2002, 02:26:13 PM EST
                                                                                                                 It would help if you read something... - (bepatient) - (15) - Jan. 28, 2002, 04:36:10 PM EST
                                                                                                                     You're posts are so easily disproven. - (Brandioch) - (14) - Jan. 28, 2002, 05:19:05 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Why don't you answer the point made? -NT - (bepatient) - (13) - Jan. 28, 2002, 05:20:43 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Allow me to refresh your memory. - (Brandioch) - (12) - Jan. 28, 2002, 05:39:39 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 Again...pick at a detail and ignore the point. - (bepatient) - (11) - Jan. 28, 2002, 08:04:28 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     Isn't the point comprised of the details? - (Brandioch) - (10) - Jan. 28, 2002, 08:22:45 PM EST
                                                                                                                                         no.it wasn't - (bepatient) - (9) - Jan. 28, 2002, 11:15:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                             Now >THAT< is funny. - (Brandioch) - (8) - Jan. 29, 2002, 12:55:45 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                 Not as funny as putting a bra on a a statue because - (Ashton) - Jan. 29, 2002, 04:16:59 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                 I thought you were an expert? - (bepatient) - (6) - Jan. 29, 2002, 09:28:29 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                     Nope. I'm just able to read. - (Brandioch) - (5) - Jan. 29, 2002, 11:10:57 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                         Then why don't you try it sometime - (bepatient) - (4) - Jan. 29, 2002, 11:23:03 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                             You see, I can read and you're illiterate. - (Brandioch) - (3) - Jan. 29, 2002, 11:39:09 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                 I already gave you your homework assignment - (bepatient) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2002, 11:45:51 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                                     And we, once again, come back to my point. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2002, 12:15:38 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                                         No we haven't - (bepatient) - Jan. 29, 2002, 01:48:55 PM EST
                                             Thou sayest.. - (Ashton) - (2) - Jan. 25, 2002, 05:23:25 PM EST
                                                 You're up - (Mike) - (1) - Jan. 26, 2002, 12:07:40 AM EST
                                                     Let us retire with the comforting thought - (Ashton) - Jan. 26, 2002, 03:01:35 AM EST
                                 You are denying fact - (drewk) - (1) - Jan. 25, 2002, 09:59:03 AM EST
                                     That may be true. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 25, 2002, 02:48:07 PM EST
                     New to brandi arnt you? - (boxley) - (22) - Jan. 24, 2002, 04:55:51 PM EST
                         Okay, I thought this was covered. I guess I was wrong. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:07:15 PM EST
                             We treat the pirates as pirates and the taliban as pow's - (boxley) - (20) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:19:15 PM EST
                                 I like that. - (Brandioch) - (19) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:25:36 PM EST
                                     He didn't say "guilty" - (drewk) - (17) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:28:37 PM EST
                                         Allow me to quote. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:36:49 PM EST
                                             Jeez, that's intentionally obtuse - (drewk) - (11) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:42:32 PM EST
                                                 "suspected" == guilty. - (Brandioch) - (10) - Jan. 24, 2002, 06:01:09 PM EST
                                                     So now *I'm* the final authority? - (drewk) - (9) - Jan. 25, 2002, 09:16:52 AM EST
                                                         Do you believe in Santa Claus? - (Brandioch) - (8) - Jan. 25, 2002, 03:47:56 PM EST
                                                             The classic flip. - (bepatient) - (7) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:46:36 PM EST
                                                                 F.I. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Jan. 25, 2002, 04:54:34 PM EST
                                                                     Soooooooooooo doubt everything right? - (Mike) - (5) - Jan. 26, 2002, 12:26:06 AM EST
                                                                         Shhhh... - (bepatient) - (4) - Jan. 26, 2002, 10:44:42 AM EST
                                                                             :-) NT -NT - (Mike) - (2) - Jan. 26, 2002, 11:20:55 AM EST
                                                                                 Thank you Drew, Drew and Drew. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 26, 2002, 01:45:32 PM EST
                                                                                     Was talking to Mike...do you mind? - (bepatient) - Jan. 26, 2002, 02:38:54 PM EST
                                                                             LRPD wryly notes: I'm sorry, I came here for an argument! - (Ashton) - Jan. 26, 2002, 01:26:35 PM EST
                                             What conflict? - (boxley) - (3) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:55:03 PM EST
                                                 Gotta love that. - (Brandioch) - (2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 06:03:01 PM EST
                                                     Lotsa prisoners were taken from the army - (boxley) - (1) - Jan. 25, 2002, 08:56:09 AM EST
                                                         Strangely enough, I do. - (Brandioch) - Jan. 25, 2002, 03:50:47 PM EST
                                     according to the brits it does at least the one name - (boxley) - Jan. 24, 2002, 05:29:06 PM EST
             What about non-uniformed combatants? - (rsf) - (2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:09:13 PM EST
                 I am the authority on the Geneva Convention. - (Brandioch) - (1) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:30:33 PM EST
                     Forgot some. -NT - (bepatient) - Jan. 24, 2002, 07:45:43 PM EST
             Re: What is a Taliban ? - What is an Al-Qaeda ? - (dmarker2) - Jan. 24, 2002, 08:40:02 PM EST

Unless they wink.
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