Real chem/bio weapons are really bad

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7/14/06 10:22:10 PM

Real chem/bio weapons are really bad

Not sure they are as deadly as nukes, but think of releasing some bug with 50% fatal outcome and nice spread rate at Grand Central in Mahattan, between 8 and 10. Some serious economic impact, no? Whole fleet of beer trucks hitting key people on key projects in a lot of financial orgs.

The real bio and chemical weapons are hard to get, though. The crap we read about in "terrorist plot" warnings is not real. That's some amateurs dinking around in their kitchen while talking tough. The real thing, which is in possession of countries like North Korea or may be Siria, is not available to the terrorists yet. We'll have to wait a bit longer.

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Post #261,794

7/14/06 10:53:15 PM

They are as deadly as nukes

Deadly biological ones are problematical. Because they can kill your folks as well. Too hard to control.

But chemical weapons really can kill as many people as nukes, and have the bonus of leaving infrastructure in place.

However by treaty, chemical weapons are not used by countries against each other. And making the powerful stuff is difficult. Less difficult than nukes, to be sure, but it isn't easy. Plus people are more serious about those treaties. For instance the USA voluntarily destroyed most of its stockpiles. We haven't done that with nuclear weapons.

Plus there is the whole Mutually Assured Destruction thing. People really don't want to use weapons of mass destruction against a similarly equipped enemy. For instance during WW II the Germans developed nerve gas, but did not use it for fear that the allies had it. Conversely the allies stockpiled chemical weapons but did not use them on the Germans. Somehow that comforts me.

But you're completely right. For non-countries to get or deploy them is difficult, and the threats we hear about are BS.

Cheers,
Ben

a very rich person should leave his kids enough to do anything but not enough to do nothing. -- Warren Buffett

Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (JayMehaffey) - (84) - July 12, 2006, 09:09:53 AM EDT

this action was predicted a week ago - (boxley) - July 12, 2006, 09:33:33 AM EDT

Re: Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (systems) - (81) - July 13, 2006, 03:50:55 AM EDT

And how does this make al-Jazeera less biased? - (admin) - (20) - July 13, 2006, 09:00:23 AM EDT

Umm, Lives in Egypt, is a Sunni, has shown incredible - (broomberg) - July 13, 2006, 09:12:56 AM EDT

Does this really matter? - (systems) - (5) - July 13, 2006, 10:53:04 AM EDT

CNN is not the most popular news channel in the US. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 11:12:11 AM EDT

Fox bias is much worse! -NT - (ChrisR) - July 13, 2006, 11:32:25 AM EDT

No, you are biased. - (admin) - July 13, 2006, 11:28:39 AM EDT

I enjoy your posts although I may disagree with you - (boxley) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 02:46:30 PM EDT

Sure there can - (jake123) - July 13, 2006, 02:48:29 PM EDT

FWIW, I'd be more inclined to think that CNN is biased... - (ben_tilly) - (12) - July 13, 2006, 01:36:00 PM EDT

That's not what I asked. -NT - (admin) - (8) - July 13, 2006, 02:10:00 PM EDT

Then adjust what I said - (ben_tilly) - (7) - July 13, 2006, 05:16:09 PM EDT

Not to be cynical... - (hnick) - (6) - July 13, 2006, 06:09:45 PM EDT

ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - July 13, 2006, 06:25:42 PM EDT

I agree with that - (ben_tilly) - (4) - July 13, 2006, 06:40:22 PM EDT

Even NPR? -NT - (broomberg) - (3) - July 13, 2006, 08:34:17 PM EDT

Pick up Armed Madhouse - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 13, 2006, 08:58:02 PM EDT

Find a Pacifica radio station. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 09:08:22 PM EDT

Point -NT - (ben_tilly) - July 13, 2006, 09:52:27 PM EDT

CNN says Israel is fighting a 2 front war - (andread) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 11:24:06 AM EDT

you mean they are shooting rockets at themselves? - (boxley) - July 14, 2006, 12:24:46 PM EDT

Really? - (Arkadiy) - July 14, 2006, 02:29:22 PM EDT

I know some Israelis who... - (andread) - July 13, 2006, 09:45:01 AM EDT

Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (Arkadiy) - (55) - July 14, 2006, 02:28:39 PM EDT

Problems with that - (drewk) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 02:44:55 PM EDT

Real chem/bio weapons are really bad - (Arkadiy) - (1) - July 14, 2006, 10:22:10 PM EDT

They are as deadly as nukes - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2006, 10:53:15 PM EDT

How would Israel know when they won? - (Another Scott) - (3) - July 14, 2006, 03:31:31 PM EDT

Re: How would Israel know when they won? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 10:14:40 PM EDT

War on Hesbollah - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 15, 2006, 09:42:45 AM EDT

Now that I had a few days to - (Arkadiy) - July 16, 2006, 08:22:56 PM EDT

If there can be no winner? - (ChrisR) - (45) - July 14, 2006, 03:37:04 PM EDT

Israel's aim is the following - (bluke) - (2) - July 16, 2006, 06:10:00 AM EDT

Messages via force are rather hard to control - (ChrisR) - July 16, 2006, 11:02:21 AM EDT

Won't work - (broomberg) - July 16, 2006, 11:28:42 AM EDT

This is exactly why standard approach is misguided - (bluke) - (41) - July 16, 2006, 06:33:14 AM EDT

I agree with the assessment of the problem. - (ChrisR) - (38) - July 16, 2006, 11:17:02 AM EDT

What would you suggest? - (bluke) - (29) - July 17, 2006, 04:33:24 AM EDT

Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (28) - July 17, 2006, 07:53:39 AM EDT

You have to understand the reasons here - (bluke) - (27) - July 17, 2006, 09:50:38 AM EDT

They're hardly comparable situations. - (Another Scott) - (26) - July 17, 2006, 10:17:43 AM EDT

In addition, - (bepatient) - (2) - July 17, 2006, 10:27:13 AM EDT

Re: In addition, - (bluke) - July 18, 2006, 09:19:22 AM EDT

No thats not the fact - (bepatient) - July 18, 2006, 12:18:03 PM EDT

That is easy for you to say - (bluke) - (22) - July 18, 2006, 09:21:24 AM EDT

Where are people actually dying from this? - (jake123) - (21) - July 18, 2006, 01:01:55 PM EDT

so no deaths in Israel, whatju smokin? -NT - (boxley) - (10) - July 18, 2006, 01:33:57 PM EDT

Look at the numbers - (jake123) - (9) - July 18, 2006, 03:01:13 PM EDT

Parallels - (drewk) - July 18, 2006, 03:17:50 PM EDT

not saying they are doing the right thing but ignoring the - (boxley) - July 18, 2006, 03:22:03 PM EDT

The answer is very simple - (bluke) - (6) - July 19, 2006, 06:06:15 AM EDT

Re: The answer is very simple - (jake123) - (5) - July 19, 2006, 10:25:16 AM EDT

Are you prepared to commit suicide? - (bluke) - (4) - July 20, 2006, 03:22:39 AM EDT

No, when did I say that? - (jake123) - (3) - July 20, 2006, 02:00:56 PM EDT

When they did not exist? - (bluke) - (2) - July 21, 2006, 04:28:53 AM EDT

A whole bunch of people in Lebanon that didn't care before - (jake123) - (1) - July 21, 2006, 10:01:01 AM EDT

Jake...relax. - (Simon_Jester) - July 21, 2006, 12:08:41 PM EDT

Are you blind deaf and dumb? - (bluke) - (9) - July 19, 2006, 06:02:51 AM EDT

How many civilians has Israel killed in the last fifty years - (jake123) - (8) - July 19, 2006, 10:24:10 AM EDT

how many civilians has Canada killed in the last 50 years - (boxley) - (3) - July 19, 2006, 10:35:00 AM EDT

Nice red herring box - (jake123) - (2) - July 19, 2006, 11:29:36 AM EDT

April 28th 2006 is HISTORY? WTF - (boxley) - (1) - July 19, 2006, 12:14:10 PM EDT

Not resolving here - (jake123) - July 19, 2006, 02:09:23 PM EDT

What does that have to do with anything? - (bluke) - (2) - July 20, 2006, 03:19:46 AM EDT

You severely underestimate Hezbollah's goals. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 20, 2006, 07:50:29 AM EDT

You are right about Hezbollah goals - (bluke) - July 20, 2006, 08:32:43 AM EDT

Proportion and number of civilian deaths - (bluke) - July 20, 2006, 03:37:40 AM EDT

Israel must be allowed to defend itself.... - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - July 17, 2006, 10:01:29 AM EDT

What are you trying to say? - (bluke) - (6) - July 18, 2006, 09:29:58 AM EDT

Please do not define - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 18, 2006, 10:21:35 AM EDT

You can say that about half the countries in the world - (bluke) - (1) - July 18, 2006, 11:40:17 AM EDT

Great, we're in agreement. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - July 18, 2006, 01:47:22 PM EDT

Here's a theory for you - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 18, 2006, 02:28:47 PM EDT

you been reading harryharrison again? Pyrrus comes to mind -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2006, 02:33:06 PM EDT

Nope, Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse. Recommended. - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2006, 02:45:32 PM EDT

Step 1 would be to stop undermining them - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 16, 2006, 05:04:33 PM EDT

Not really - (bluke) - July 17, 2006, 04:37:31 AM EDT

Re: Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (systems) - (1) - July 16, 2006, 02:11:15 AM EDT

Hard to say where the detailed truth lies. - (hnick) - July 16, 2006, 10:07:15 AM EDT

Note that CNN is currently showing... - (admin) - (2) - July 19, 2006, 02:19:47 PM EDT

not with a favorable caption, I wot. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - July 19, 2006, 02:21:04 PM EDT

Favorable to whom? - (admin) - July 19, 2006, 03:49:13 PM EDT

Victory process, not peace process, needed in Middle East - (bluke) - July 16, 2006, 07:53:43 AM EDT

Rather in the way of gilding the lily, and not to be encouraged.
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