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Post #262,059
by boxley
7/18/06 2:33:06 PM
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New you been reading harryharrison again? Pyrrus comes to mind
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Post #262,060
by ben_tilly
7/18/06 2:45:32 PM
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New Nope, Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse. Recommended.
He documents the internal conflict between the neocons and big oil about Iraq. The neocons want to privatize oil so tons will flood out and collapse the price of oil. Big oil wants to keep Iraq's oil in the ground so oil's price skyrockets. Both had secret invasion plans for Iraq which he has copies of. (Big Oil's was harder to get, but once he filed a freedom of information request with the title and author, he got it.)

The neocons got their way on most things, but as your gas pump shows, big oil has proven to have sharper knives.

Lots of good information and ugly history.

He doesn't talk much about Israel's role in all of this, but it dovetails very well with [link|http://philip.greenspun.com/politics/israel/|Philip Greenspun's take on Israel]. So I combined the two and you got that post that I just wrote.

Cheers,
Ben
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     Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (JayMehaffey) - (84) - July 12, 2006, 09:09:53 AM EDT
         this action was predicted a week ago - (boxley) - July 12, 2006, 09:33:33 AM EDT
         Re: Isreal forces move into Lebanon - (systems) - (81) - July 13, 2006, 03:50:55 AM EDT
             And how does this make al-Jazeera less biased? - (admin) - (20) - July 13, 2006, 09:00:23 AM EDT
                 Umm, Lives in Egypt, is a Sunni, has shown incredible - (broomberg) - July 13, 2006, 09:12:56 AM EDT
                 Does this really matter? - (systems) - (5) - July 13, 2006, 10:53:04 AM EDT
                     CNN is not the most popular news channel in the US. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 11:12:11 AM EDT
                         Fox bias is much worse! -NT - (ChrisR) - July 13, 2006, 11:32:25 AM EDT
                     No, you are biased. - (admin) - July 13, 2006, 11:28:39 AM EDT
                     I enjoy your posts although I may disagree with you - (boxley) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 02:46:30 PM EDT
                         Sure there can - (jake123) - July 13, 2006, 02:48:29 PM EDT
                 FWIW, I'd be more inclined to think that CNN is biased... - (ben_tilly) - (12) - July 13, 2006, 01:36:00 PM EDT
                     That's not what I asked. -NT - (admin) - (8) - July 13, 2006, 02:10:00 PM EDT
                         Then adjust what I said - (ben_tilly) - (7) - July 13, 2006, 05:16:09 PM EDT
                             Not to be cynical... - (hnick) - (6) - July 13, 2006, 06:09:45 PM EDT
                                 ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - July 13, 2006, 06:25:42 PM EDT
                                 I agree with that - (ben_tilly) - (4) - July 13, 2006, 06:40:22 PM EDT
                                     Even NPR? -NT - (broomberg) - (3) - July 13, 2006, 08:34:17 PM EDT
                                         Pick up Armed Madhouse - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 13, 2006, 08:58:02 PM EDT
                                             Find a Pacifica radio station. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 13, 2006, 09:08:22 PM EDT
                                                 Point -NT - (ben_tilly) - July 13, 2006, 09:52:27 PM EDT
                     CNN says Israel is fighting a 2 front war - (andread) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 11:24:06 AM EDT
                         you mean they are shooting rockets at themselves? - (boxley) - July 14, 2006, 12:24:46 PM EDT
                         Really? - (Arkadiy) - July 14, 2006, 02:29:22 PM EDT
             I know some Israelis who... - (andread) - July 13, 2006, 09:45:01 AM EDT
             Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (Arkadiy) - (55) - July 14, 2006, 02:28:39 PM EDT
                 Problems with that - (drewk) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 02:44:55 PM EDT
                     Real chem/bio weapons are really bad - (Arkadiy) - (1) - July 14, 2006, 10:22:10 PM EDT
                         They are as deadly as nukes - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2006, 10:53:15 PM EDT
                 How would Israel know when they won? - (Another Scott) - (3) - July 14, 2006, 03:31:31 PM EDT
                     Re: How would Israel know when they won? - (Arkadiy) - (2) - July 14, 2006, 10:14:40 PM EDT
                         War on Hesbollah - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 15, 2006, 09:42:45 AM EDT
                             Now that I had a few days to - (Arkadiy) - July 16, 2006, 08:22:56 PM EDT
                 If there can be no winner? - (ChrisR) - (45) - July 14, 2006, 03:37:04 PM EDT
                     Israel's aim is the following - (bluke) - (2) - July 16, 2006, 06:10:00 AM EDT
                         Messages via force are rather hard to control - (ChrisR) - July 16, 2006, 11:02:21 AM EDT
                         Won't work - (broomberg) - July 16, 2006, 11:28:42 AM EDT
                     This is exactly why standard approach is misguided - (bluke) - (41) - July 16, 2006, 06:33:14 AM EDT
                         I agree with the assessment of the problem. - (ChrisR) - (38) - July 16, 2006, 11:17:02 AM EDT
                             What would you suggest? - (bluke) - (29) - July 17, 2006, 04:33:24 AM EDT
                                 Disagree. - (Another Scott) - (28) - July 17, 2006, 07:53:39 AM EDT
                                     You have to understand the reasons here - (bluke) - (27) - July 17, 2006, 09:50:38 AM EDT
                                         They're hardly comparable situations. - (Another Scott) - (26) - July 17, 2006, 10:17:43 AM EDT
                                             In addition, - (bepatient) - (2) - July 17, 2006, 10:27:13 AM EDT
                                                 Re: In addition, - (bluke) - July 18, 2006, 09:19:22 AM EDT
                                                 No thats not the fact - (bepatient) - July 18, 2006, 12:18:03 PM EDT
                                             That is easy for you to say - (bluke) - (22) - July 18, 2006, 09:21:24 AM EDT
                                                 Where are people actually dying from this? - (jake123) - (21) - July 18, 2006, 01:01:55 PM EDT
                                                     so no deaths in Israel, whatju smokin? -NT - (boxley) - (10) - July 18, 2006, 01:33:57 PM EDT
                                                         Look at the numbers - (jake123) - (9) - July 18, 2006, 03:01:13 PM EDT
                                                             Parallels - (drewk) - July 18, 2006, 03:17:50 PM EDT
                                                             not saying they are doing the right thing but ignoring the - (boxley) - July 18, 2006, 03:22:03 PM EDT
                                                             The answer is very simple - (bluke) - (6) - July 19, 2006, 06:06:15 AM EDT
                                                                 Re: The answer is very simple - (jake123) - (5) - July 19, 2006, 10:25:16 AM EDT
                                                                     Are you prepared to commit suicide? - (bluke) - (4) - July 20, 2006, 03:22:39 AM EDT
                                                                         No, when did I say that? - (jake123) - (3) - July 20, 2006, 02:00:56 PM EDT
                                                                             When they did not exist? - (bluke) - (2) - July 21, 2006, 04:28:53 AM EDT
                                                                                 A whole bunch of people in Lebanon that didn't care before - (jake123) - (1) - July 21, 2006, 10:01:01 AM EDT
                                                                                     Jake...relax. - (Simon_Jester) - July 21, 2006, 12:08:41 PM EDT
                                                     Are you blind deaf and dumb? - (bluke) - (9) - July 19, 2006, 06:02:51 AM EDT
                                                         How many civilians has Israel killed in the last fifty years - (jake123) - (8) - July 19, 2006, 10:24:10 AM EDT
                                                             how many civilians has Canada killed in the last 50 years - (boxley) - (3) - July 19, 2006, 10:35:00 AM EDT
                                                                 Nice red herring box - (jake123) - (2) - July 19, 2006, 11:29:36 AM EDT
                                                                     April 28th 2006 is HISTORY? WTF - (boxley) - (1) - July 19, 2006, 12:14:10 PM EDT
                                                                         Not resolving here - (jake123) - July 19, 2006, 02:09:23 PM EDT
                                                             What does that have to do with anything? - (bluke) - (2) - July 20, 2006, 03:19:46 AM EDT
                                                                 You severely underestimate Hezbollah's goals. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 20, 2006, 07:50:29 AM EDT
                                                                     You are right about Hezbollah goals - (bluke) - July 20, 2006, 08:32:43 AM EDT
                                                             Proportion and number of civilian deaths - (bluke) - July 20, 2006, 03:37:40 AM EDT
                             Israel must be allowed to defend itself.... - (Simon_Jester) - (7) - July 17, 2006, 10:01:29 AM EDT
                                 What are you trying to say? - (bluke) - (6) - July 18, 2006, 09:29:58 AM EDT
                                     Please do not define - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - July 18, 2006, 10:21:35 AM EDT
                                         You can say that about half the countries in the world - (bluke) - (1) - July 18, 2006, 11:40:17 AM EDT
                                             Great, we're in agreement. -NT - (Simon_Jester) - July 18, 2006, 01:47:22 PM EDT
                                     Here's a theory for you - (ben_tilly) - (2) - July 18, 2006, 02:28:47 PM EDT
                                         you been reading harryharrison again? Pyrrus comes to mind -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2006, 02:33:06 PM EDT
                                             Nope, Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse. Recommended. - (ben_tilly) - July 18, 2006, 02:45:32 PM EDT
                         Step 1 would be to stop undermining them - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - July 16, 2006, 05:04:33 PM EDT
                             Not really - (bluke) - July 17, 2006, 04:37:31 AM EDT
                 Re: Hezbollah was hitting Israel with rockets starting Wed - (systems) - (1) - July 16, 2006, 02:11:15 AM EDT
                     Hard to say where the detailed truth lies. - (hnick) - July 16, 2006, 10:07:15 AM EDT
             Note that CNN is currently showing... - (admin) - (2) - July 19, 2006, 02:19:47 PM EDT
                 not with a favorable caption, I wot. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - July 19, 2006, 02:21:04 PM EDT
                     Favorable to whom? - (admin) - July 19, 2006, 03:49:13 PM EDT
         Victory process, not peace process, needed in Middle East - (bluke) - July 16, 2006, 07:53:43 AM EDT

Consider the job: to build a structure based on live bone and meat that has to perform under extreme forces in one of the most corrosive environments on the planet. Has to look good too.
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