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6/20/06 11:09:36 AM

So I'm going to pay a toll to drive to the grocery store?

What about surface roads?

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Post #259,463

6/20/06 11:28:13 AM

That first paragraph I was playing devil's advocate

I agree that roads are one of the things that can't be reasonably accommodated in a strictly libertarian way. There are already housing developments -- my sister-in-law used to live in one -- that do their own road maintenance within the development. Homeowners' Association fees cover plowing and patching. If you live there, you pay it. It ends up looking a whole lot like a tax.

But the second paragraph I was completely serious. Highway costs should be entirely covered by gas taxes. People should be directly exposed to the true cost of driving.[1] This should include construction, maintenance, enforcement, evironmental impact, everything. Railroads won't be saved by subsidising them, but by de-subsidising roads.

[1] Yes, I think this should also include the cost of maintaining "stability"[2] in the Middle East. But people will argue that point.

[2] Chyeah, right.

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Post #259,465

6/20/06 11:47:14 AM

'Easypass' for everything. At every intersection

and driveway. Has the 'beneficial' side effect of allowing the cops to give you speeding tickets without effort, and allows the Dept. of Homeland Security to monitor the movements of ~~citizens~~ terrorists. Since this is the US, economic libertarianism will trump social libertarianism every time.

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Post #259,469

6/20/06 12:12:50 PM

Screw you

I was just starting to get un-crabby today and you go and piss in my Wheaties with an all-too-plausible future. Now I need a drink.

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Post #259,470

6/20/06 12:33:18 PM

Go get a glass of warm milk, cookies, and take a nap. ;-j

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)

Post #259,472

6/20/06 12:37:49 PM

Can I make it a donut instead?

Oh man, glazed chocolate, glass of milk and a nap. [siiiiiiigh]

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Post #259,473

6/20/06 1:09:24 PM

Lullaby.... z z z z z ...........

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. (Herm Albright)

helmets, seat belts and french fries private property rights - (boxley) - (47) - June 16, 2006, 02:44:04 PM EDT

The statement 'There is no middle ground' is . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - June 16, 2006, 03:06:11 PM EDT

I love Joey Vento - (bepatient) - (8) - June 16, 2006, 05:36:01 PM EDT

Everyone? - (broomberg) - (7) - June 17, 2006, 12:27:05 AM EDT

Sure...and me too. - (bepatient) - (6) - June 17, 2006, 12:57:40 AM EDT

How much weight have you lost since the heart attack? -NT - (broomberg) - (2) - June 17, 2006, 01:17:21 AM EDT

-25 +5 - (bepatient) - (1) - June 17, 2006, 01:25:24 AM EDT

Interesting target - (broomberg) - June 17, 2006, 11:12:31 AM EDT

How much weight have you lost since the heart attack? -NT - (broomberg) - June 17, 2006, 01:17:26 AM EDT

I agree as well. - (hnick) - June 17, 2006, 08:46:32 AM EDT

Actually, I agree, too. - (jb4) - June 19, 2006, 09:45:06 AM EDT

Wonder if he is consistant - (JayMehaffey) - June 17, 2006, 12:51:01 PM EDT

Trouble with libertarianism - (andread) - (35) - June 20, 2006, 10:34:28 AM EDT

They'd love to - (drewk) - June 20, 2006, 10:59:41 AM EDT

A Libertarian would prefer to pay for the services himself - (admin) - (12) - June 20, 2006, 11:00:56 AM EDT

Toll roads - (drewk) - (7) - June 20, 2006, 11:05:13 AM EDT

So I'm going to pay a toll to drive to the grocery store? - (admin) - (6) - June 20, 2006, 11:09:36 AM EDT

That first paragraph I was playing devil's advocate - (drewk) - June 20, 2006, 11:28:13 AM EDT

'Easypass' for everything. At every intersection - (imric) - (4) - June 20, 2006, 11:47:14 AM EDT

Screw you - (drewk) - (3) - June 20, 2006, 12:12:50 PM EDT

Go get a glass of warm milk, cookies, and take a nap. ;-j -NT - (jbrabeck) - (2) - June 20, 2006, 12:33:18 PM EDT

Can I make it a donut instead? - (drewk) - (1) - June 20, 2006, 12:37:49 PM EDT

Lullaby.... z z z z z ........... -NT - (jbrabeck) - June 20, 2006, 01:09:24 PM EDT

Services - (andread) - (3) - June 20, 2006, 11:58:25 AM EDT

True, but ... - (drewk) - (2) - June 20, 2006, 12:11:35 PM EDT

Yes, it is coercive - (ben_tilly) - June 20, 2006, 02:26:05 PM EDT

I don't see how they can stop you -NT - (andread) - June 20, 2006, 02:45:52 PM EDT

They aren't that over the edge - (bepatient) - (20) - June 23, 2006, 09:28:09 PM EDT

What the H... is an Objectivist now? -NT - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - June 24, 2006, 01:13:29 AM EDT

What's a "H..."? -NT - (pwhysall) - June 24, 2006, 04:46:56 AM EDT

Ayn Rand...who is John Gault...you know them. -NT - (bepatient) - June 24, 2006, 10:25:00 PM EDT

over the edge - (andread) - (16) - June 27, 2006, 10:03:54 AM EDT

unions? - (bepatient) - (15) - June 27, 2006, 11:51:08 AM EDT

Social Security && National Parks.....&& more... - (Simon_Jester) - (6) - June 27, 2006, 01:28:18 PM EDT

you mean... - (andread) - (5) - June 27, 2006, 03:47:42 PM EDT

Could you add some punctuation? - (drewk) - (4) - June 27, 2006, 03:57:51 PM EDT

,:;.? -NT - (andread) - (1) - June 27, 2006, 11:58:22 PM EDT

~!@#$%^&*() -NT - (drewk) - June 28, 2006, 09:00:40 AM EDT

It's a Reggae Haiku. - (Another Scott) - (1) - June 28, 2006, 09:03:41 AM EDT

Regulate! -NT - (drewk) - June 28, 2006, 09:09:09 AM EDT

like I said 'no unions' -NT - (andread) - (7) - June 27, 2006, 03:48:51 PM EDT

you think the gov't is necessary - (bepatient) - (6) - June 27, 2006, 08:00:01 PM EDT

Depends on the government... - (Another Scott) - (4) - June 27, 2006, 08:38:02 PM EDT

I don't have a shades of grey view of unions - (jake123) - (3) - June 27, 2006, 08:54:03 PM EDT

They did many good things. - (Another Scott) - (2) - June 27, 2006, 09:10:37 PM EDT

That's nice - (jake123) - (1) - June 27, 2006, 09:30:47 PM EDT

I seem to have struck a nerve. - (Another Scott) - June 27, 2006, 10:55:17 PM EDT

Yet without them - (imric) - June 27, 2006, 08:56:07 PM EDT

Better than a VBF, any day of the week.
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