Post #249,768
3/29/06 7:30:06 AM
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Georgia lawmakers OK public school Bible classes
[link|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12055286/|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12055286/] ATLANTA - Georgia lawmakers have approved a measure to fund elective Bible courses in public schools, raising concern among civil liberties groups the classes could violate the U.S. constitutional separation of church and state. Under the bill, which now goes to Gov. Sonny Perdue for his signature, the State Board of Education would have to adopt curricula for two classes on the history and literature of the Old and New Testaments. School districts would then have the option of offering the courses.
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The elective courses, according to the bill, are to "be taught in an objective and nondevotional manner with no attempt made to indoctrinate students," and should "not disparage or encourage a commitment to a set of religious beliefs."
Oh, for ****'s sake. Objective and nondevotional without comparing other religious beliefs. Yeah, I believe that too. Do Senators not understand that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion? Matthew Greet
Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
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Post #249,772
3/29/06 7:52:36 AM
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I demand equal time for the history & literature of the GRR!
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #249,786
3/29/06 9:50:43 AM
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And the Spaghetti Monster! ESPECIALLY the Spaghetti Monster!
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,792
3/29/06 9:58:59 AM
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Woot! Another Pastafarian!
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #249,798
3/29/06 10:45:41 AM
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All hail his noodly appendage. Ramen.
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Post #249,777
3/29/06 8:27:23 AM
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Ending quote got to me.
"We're obviously going to have folks that challenge the issue, but if we do nothing because of fear of a lawsuit, then school boards and superintendents can live in that fear and kids never learn what they might need to know," Williams said. ? Depending on how it's done, it might be harmless. But it's probably just the sharp end of the wedge. I'd feel much better about legislators concerns about what kids are learning if they introduced legislation on classes on what they need to know - like say, the Constitution - rather than what they might need to know. "Why yes, [link|http://www.heloise.com/staincalendar.html|Heloise], I do know [link|http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=3&chapter=13&version=31|Leviticus 13:47-59]. Thanks for the tip!" :-/ Cheers, Scott.
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Post #249,908
3/29/06 6:43:37 PM
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What about mildewed nylon?
.. and if I catch my sister pulling weeds on Sunday - do I have to go to Aaron first, or can I kill her on the spot?
Lovely plumage, the Brazilian Blue
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Post #249,957
3/29/06 10:20:31 PM
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Let me guess...
Pi getting rounded down to 3 and wife beating sticks restricted to only one inch around will be items in the next bill up for vote.
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Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
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Post #249,780
3/29/06 8:46:56 AM
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please note that it was the dems that wanted/pushed it thru
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Post #249,828
3/29/06 1:12:45 PM
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I note that the chief sponsor was a Republican
I note that the chief sponsor was a Republican (ref. original article) and that Georgia has a majority of Republican in both their House and Senate.
The proposal, originally introduced this year by a group of Senate Democrats, surprised many Republicans, who hold majorities in both the Georgia House and Senate. Republicans quickly substituted their own version, which specifies that the Bible itself would be the course textbook.
[link|http://www.wbir.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=33056| Source ] Shrug..yep, it those nasty damn Democrats at fault again.
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Post #249,892
3/29/06 4:58:34 PM
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The Bible itself?
Which one?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #249,897
3/29/06 5:21:15 PM
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The one in that state supreme court justice's desk?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,899
3/29/06 5:33:48 PM
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Why the one that's the True Word of God, of course.
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Post #249,902
3/29/06 5:42:54 PM
3/29/06 5:54:40 PM
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And a question . . . .
Why are you using a picture of CRC in his uniform as your avatar?
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Post #249,921
3/29/06 8:23:32 PM
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Oh wow, avatars
I've had them turned off for so long I forgot they were there.
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Post #249,950
3/29/06 10:04:13 PM
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I know NOTHING! NOTHING!
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #249,955
3/29/06 10:10:13 PM
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The one that's pronounced . . .
baby's bib, General Lee.
/ob Eddie Izzard.
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Post #249,784
3/29/06 9:46:58 AM
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WWFSMD?
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #249,818
3/29/06 12:33:27 PM
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Who is "FSM"?
for those of us who are not enlightened.
lincoln
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.
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Post #249,820
3/29/06 12:39:01 PM
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Flying Spaghetti Monster.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #249,856
3/29/06 2:19:05 PM
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Then shouldn't it be
WWTFSMD - as in "What Would THE Flying Spaghetti Monster Do?"
lincoln
"Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States.
[link|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net|contact me]
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Post #249,872
3/29/06 4:01:04 PM
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Flying Spaghetti Monster is a proper name
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,821
3/29/06 12:39:04 PM
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Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Google it.
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Post #249,823
3/29/06 12:55:02 PM
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Saw a car the other day displaying . . .
. . . the FSM logo, along with the N'Chips log that's become fairly popular around here. It's been displacing the Darwin logo though neither is yet as common here as the Scientology logo.
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Post #249,825
3/29/06 1:03:30 PM
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rofl, I need me some of those!
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #249,837
3/29/06 1:23:26 PM
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I still want the "Just think of it as evolution in action"
bumper sticker:
A Darwin fish humping a Jesus fish.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #249,864
3/29/06 2:46:54 PM
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They have one like that too . . .
The ProCreation logo, also at [link|http://www.rof.com|Ring of Fire]
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Post #249,870
3/29/06 3:54:07 PM
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I'd like to display those
I might just have to buy a car someday.
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Post #249,816
3/29/06 12:28:58 PM
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Theoretically could be OK. Won't be.
Religion is as valid an area of study as any other. Certainly in universities there are people who analyze religious texts without necessarily pushing any point of view about them. (And these people wind up offending the fundamentalists with what they find, but that's life.)
However nobody with a brain thinks that these elective classes will look be that. So I dislike them. And don't think that public tax money should be spent on the purpose of pushing the particular religious view that you know will be presented.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #249,824
3/29/06 1:00:28 PM
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Re: Georgia lawmakers OK public school Bible classes
[T]he State Board of Education would have to adopt curricula for two classes on the history and literature of the Old and New Testaments. Why not the Book of Mormon or the Qur'an as well, while they're at it? The teachings of Buddha, anyone? Paganism? Satanism? Scientology? I mean, if we're going to have a religious history course, why limit yourself to just two of the more popular ones? -YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #249,829
3/29/06 1:13:41 PM
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The funny thing is...
this would open the door to UTAH having it's students study the Book of Mormon.
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Post #249,832
3/29/06 1:18:36 PM
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s/study/be forced to study/
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,836
3/29/06 1:23:15 PM
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I highly doubt they need curricula for that in that state...
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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