Post #248,839
3/22/06 9:58:55 AM
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Yet more depressing news on the globalization front.
[link|http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/21/AR2006032101133.html|Harold Meyerson] at the Washington Post, on a recent article by [link|http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85209/alan-s-blinder/offshoring-the-next-industrial-revolution.html|Alan Blinder] (which only gives a teaser unless you buy the article). Meyerson: The threat of globalization and the reality of de-unionization have combined to make the raise, for most Americans, a thing of the past. Between 2001 and 2004, median household income inched up by a meager 1.6 percent, even as productivity was expanding at a robust 11.7 percent. The broadly shared prosperity that characterized our economy in the three decades following World War II is now dead as a dodo.
Also dying, if not yet also kaput, is the comforting notion that a good education is the best defense against the ravages of globalization -- or, as Bill Clinton famously put it: What you earn is the result of what you learn. A study last year by economists J. Bradford Jensen of the Institute for International Economics and Lori Kletzer of the University of California at Santa Cruz demonstrates that it's the more highly skilled service-sector workers who are likely to have tradable jobs. And according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the proportion of jobs in the United States that require a college degree will rise by a measly one percentage point -- from 26.9 percent in 2002 to 27.9 percent in 2012 -- during this decade.
Since education as such won't save us, Blinder recommends a kind of particularized vocational ed. We will have to specialize more, he writes, "in the delivery of services where personal presence is either imperative or highly beneficial. Thus, the U.S. workforce of the future will likely have more divorce lawyers and fewer attorneys who write routine contracts." Now, there's a prospect to galvanize a nation.
[...] Yay. More lawyers. :-( Even if having a good education isn't a vaccine against offshoring, it will probably continue to be the case that not having a good education gives you less options for a livable wage. He advocates more unionization among other things. I don't know if that's a big part of the solution. Unions have been part of the problem at the airlines and GM (e.g. unsustainable contracts based on a history in industries that were effectively an [link|http://www.tutor2u.net/economics/content/topics/monopoly/oligopoly_notes.htm|oligopoly]. Such contracts can't survive outside competition from low-cost or high-efficiency vendors.). Also, France is having quite a bit of upheaval now due to proposed changes to work rules. The business sector needs to be flexible, but employees also need to have protections. Finding a happy medium is very difficult. Blinder: To be sure, the furor over [N. Gregory] Mankiw's [February 2004] remark [that offshoring was normal and good for all concerned] was grotesquely out of proportion to the current importance of offshoring, which is still largely a prospective phenomenon. Although there are no reliable national data, fragmentary studies indicate that well under a million service-sector jobs in the United States have been lost to offshoring to date. (A million seems impressive, but in the gigantic and rapidly churning U.S. labor market, a million jobs is less than two weeks' worth of normal gross job losses.) However, constant improvements in technology and global communications virtually guarantee that the future will bring much more offshoring of "impersonal services" -- that is, services that can be delivered electronically over long distances with little or no degradation in quality.
That said, we should not view the coming wave of offshoring as an impending catastrophe. Nor should we try to stop it. The normal gains from trade mean that the world as a whole cannot lose from increases in productivity, and the United States and other industrial countries have not only weathered but also benefited from comparable changes in the past. But in order to do so again, the governments and societies of the developed world must face up to the massive, complex, and multifaceted challenges that offshoring will bring. National data systems, trade policies, educational systems, social welfare programs, and politics all must adapt to new realities. Unfortunately, none of this is happening now. Interesting times are coming. Getting to a point, maybe a hundred years from now, where most people are be wealthy enough that local production will be comparably priced to that done half-way around the world, well, that may be a wonderful thing. The transition to such a world is going to be disruptive to wealthy nations that don't think about the implications. I'm afraid that the US is presently one of those countries that isn't thinking and planning ahead. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #248,841
3/22/06 10:22:38 AM
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Re: Yet more depressing news on the globalization front.
That said, we should not view the coming wave of offshoring as an impending catastrophe. Nor should we try to stop it. The normal gains from trade mean that the world as a whole cannot lose from increases in productivity, and the United States and other industrial countries have not only weathered but also benefited from comparable changes in the past. But in order to do so again, the governments and societies of the developed world must face up to the massive, complex, and multifaceted challenges that offshoring will bring. National data systems, trade policies, educational systems, social welfare programs, and politics all must adapt to new realities. Unfortunately, none of this is happening now. On one level he is right, but statements like that make me nervious because they are often code speak by big buisness propagandists. The trick is that they often speak in terms of challenges to society and adjustments to government, but what they mean is reducing government spending on everything except corporate subsidies and slashing taxes. That the best solution might be to increase taxes to support a strong social safety net during the transistion is never allowed to enter the conversation. As for unions, that is a sticky issue. The problem is that while unions do help to increase the strength of the workforce, if they get too strong they can wreck horrible damage on the companies. Depending on what state you are in and what industry, the unions tend to be either totally useless or excessivly powerful. A big step in helping here would be to redraft labor laws to strike a sensible balance. Jay
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Post #248,844
3/22/06 10:39:44 AM
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Define "sensible"
Your "sensible" could well be my "completely ludicrous."
-YendorMike
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
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Post #248,861
3/22/06 12:06:29 PM
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Possible. Likely, even.
I have a feeling that your "sensible" is my "absurd"...
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #248,898
3/22/06 2:24:53 PM
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Balance of power
The trick is to setup a balance of power, so that the company has good reason to negotiate with the union but neither side is at the others mercy. If the company really feels that the unions demands are too much then it need to be able to replace the union employees, but at the same time companies can't be in a posistion to fire union people simply because they don't like dealing with the union.
I don't have any brilliant ideas about how to create that balance though.
Jay
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Post #248,870
3/22/06 12:33:12 PM
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Yup, it really *is* a global issue
Interesting thought I just had. When we have CEOs making >400 times what the people on the assembly line make, we all scream about the inequity. But borders are, quite literally, an artificial construct. As they become less meaningful, how is the above comment any different from noting the disparity between what Americans make and what a Chinese laborer makes?
Many of us have said, "The CEOs make too damn much." Or variations on that theme. So what do you think the Chinese laborer would say about us?
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Post #248,886
3/22/06 1:21:32 PM
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They'd say "Gimme a ticket for an aeroplane..."
Wait, they're already saying that!
jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #248,889
3/22/06 1:27:24 PM
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Ain't got time to take a fast train
Dammit, it's migrating!
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Post #248,975
3/23/06 1:56:07 AM
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Long Train Runnin'
Have fun, Carl Forde
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Post #249,045
3/23/06 1:56:00 PM
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Train, Train!
jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,052
3/23/06 2:19:18 PM
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Chatanooga Choo-Choo
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #249,202
3/24/06 2:20:21 PM
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Midnight Train to Georgia
jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,204
3/24/06 2:58:22 PM
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I've been workin' on the railroad
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #249,205
3/24/06 3:00:53 PM
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I hear that train a comin'...
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #249,213
3/24/06 5:59:06 PM
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I'm the train they call The City of New Orleans,
Alex
When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. -- Sinclair Lewis
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Post #249,226
3/24/06 7:45:02 PM
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This train is bound for glory, this train.
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~ George Eliot
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Post #249,275
3/25/06 2:49:54 AM
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Peace Train
Have fun, Carl Forde
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Post #249,844
3/29/06 1:54:39 PM
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People get ready, there's a train a-commin'
jb4 "Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'." &mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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Post #249,910
3/29/06 7:01:08 PM
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Go branch to test.
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Post #249,948
3/29/06 9:55:38 PM
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Thank you.
----------------------------------------- Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.
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Post #248,961
3/22/06 11:46:13 PM
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Learn a trade
I don't guess they'll outsource plumbing to India anytime soon.
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Post #248,964
3/23/06 12:05:59 AM
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No, they'll just import Indian plumbers. :-(
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Post #248,965
3/23/06 12:09:43 AM
3/23/06 12:14:46 AM
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No, Polish
The French had a huge issue [link|http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1409539/posts|some months back] during the referendum on the EU constitution. The poster boy for the "No" movement was the Polish plumber.
The Poles had a sense of humor about it. "You want poster boy? We give you [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4115164.stm|poster boy]."
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Edited by drewk
March 23, 2006, 12:14:46 AM EST
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Post #248,966
3/23/06 12:26:03 AM
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I've been meaning to ask CRC his experience in .fi
It seems like every well compensated highly skilled occupation is at risk from competition from places like India. Their population is so huge and their cost of labor so low, that there will be an excess of trained people for a long time to come. Some will emigrate, some will work for companies in their homelands that will compete with US companies for the same work. Since communications is so easy now, it'll put direct pressure on US wages and company profit margins.
It's another indication that if you want to get rich you are most likely to do it in Sales. But even that is being impacted by the Internet (e.g., some claim that Realtors are an endangered species). And there's always that competition from that company down the street... (Sales, or having your own company - as opposed to drawing a salary somewhere.)
How are our European and Australian friends coping with these pressures from skilled people in developing countries?
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #248,985
3/23/06 8:17:36 AM
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I hear Estonia has no more doctors or construction workers.
They're all here. :-)
Our particular "developing countries" are, like this Franco-Polish example shows, a bit closer than India.
How we are coping? Well... Damn, Idunno what to say to that.
More or less, I suppose.
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105|Mr. Hat]
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