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New So, what is WebKit's User-Agent string again...?
Idunno, you *may* be right... But I'm not sure.

I mean, to take just one example, presumably they knew pretty soon that their release of KHTML was going to be a complete fork; and they were asked when, over a year ago?, to change the User-Agent string to something other than "khtml". Are we supposed to believe *that* was because they "have an employer and customer base to please"? Too big a change to implement before release deadline, with Steve breathing down their necks? Or is it millions of Safari users, demanding with one voice, "No! Don't change the User-Agent string to 'safari' in our browser!"? Somehow, I doubt it...

Essentially, what you're saying is that you are blinded not only by the Jobsian RDF, but also by being friends with some of these people. Are you seriously trying to claim that makes you *less* biased about them and what they do?


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New It doesn't have one
Its up to the browser to provide it. Safari's is Safari (<version-number>). This goes all the way back to 1.1 at least (current is 2.04 I think).

This is annoying because it fragment's all the Safari versions across our metrics report. It does not say khtml I don't think - did it ever? Not sure.

Maybe I'm biased, but I'd behave the same way in their shoes. KHhtml just provides the parser and the DOM I think - basically it does the same thing I did for Scrutinizer. The converting DOM to pixels is done in a platform dependent way through Apple's Qt compatibility library that in turn calls Quartz. Many fixes end up in this layer and don't help the K people. Oh well. Do they have to back port all those changes to K's rendering engine?

I don't see why they should. Its a completely different beast.

I don't think I'm blinded by the RDF - but I do identify with the people involved in this instance.






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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:37:10 AM EDT
New Re: So, what is WebKit's User-Agent string again...?
It's "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/417.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/417.9.2"


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New That would mean I was at least partly wrong
i.e, That the old complaints I'd read had apparently been addressed.


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New maybe you should suggest an Apple Is Guilty forum
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                                                         So, what is WebKit's User-Agent string again...? - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                                             It doesn't have one - (tuberculosis)
                                                             Re: So, what is WebKit's User-Agent string again...? - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                 That would mean I was at least partly wrong - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                                                     maybe you should suggest an Apple Is Guilty forum -NT - (SpiceWare)
                                                     And your familarity with the events is what, CRC? -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
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