Post #243,362
2/3/06 1:18:26 PM
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IE 7
[link|http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/02/523679.aspx|http://blogs.msdn.co...02/02/523679.aspx]
Compatibility and our updated CSS behavior
Obviously, we have heard the feedback asking us to be more standards-compliant in our rendering behavior. We must balance this ask with the need of our customers (and end users) to have their pages not be broken. To find a balance we introduced a strict mode in IE6 that lets authors opt in into the more standards compliant rendering (and, if you\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdre putting in a modern DOCTYPE declaration, you\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdre being opted in automatically). Pages authored under non-strict mode (or \ufffd\ufffd\ufffdquirks mode\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd) will not change behavior in IE7 \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd so the fixes we\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdve done to be more CSS compliant won\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdt appear under quirks mode. However, if your content is under \ufffd\ufffd\ufffdstrict mode\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd, our behavior is more standards compliant, and your pages may break - for example, if you use some of the CSS hacks or rely on our old incorrect overflow behavior. We understand the pain this might cause in the short term but we believe a move to a more standard compliant implementation benefits everyone in the long run.
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IOW, if your page doesn't validate to strict mode (and my employer's doesn't and probably won't in my lifetime) you'll get IE 6 behavior. Furthermore, many sites, including ours, intentionally introduce errors to force quirks mode because they have a different default style sheet for strict mode that looks "wrong" to many users.
Someone isn't thinking.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #243,365
2/3/06 1:28:45 PM
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What they should be doing
IE 6 defaults to what is now called "quirks mode". You can add a doctype to specify "strict mode".
IE 7 should default to strict, allowing a doctype to specify quirks.
This way, anyone who is intentionally writing to IE 6 quirks mode can use a doctype to specify this. Anyone trying to write to current standards will be automatically supported.
From your snip, it looks like thie may be what they're saying. Now if your site is intentionally writing to the IE 6 quirks mode, what exactly would you have MS do in IE 7 to make your site work the way you'd like? I'm no fan of MS, but I don't see how else they could deal with this.
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Post #243,367
2/3/06 1:35:26 PM
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Its a Beta
And hence its reasonable for things to look broken.
This is the time for site owners to adapt. If they keep this strategy, most people will never ever see the benefits of the fixes.
Also, even quirks mode stuff will benefit from the CSS fixes (which is most of what there are). Much of it is adding support for CSS that IE 6 doesn't implement or implements wrong (and so isn't used).
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #243,385
2/3/06 7:31:55 PM
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Perhaps they'll fix the parser as well?
Ran across this one today. IE has its own idea of what constitutes a well formed html document wrt script tags. [link|http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/test/iegood.html|Display Hello] [link|http://www.angelfire.com/tx4/cus/test/iebad.html|Display Nothing] Only difference betwixt the two is: <script language="JScript" src="include.js" type="text/javascript"></script>\n\n <script language="JScript" src="include.js" type="text/javascript" />
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Post #243,388
2/3/06 8:12:38 PM
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Working as intended?
From [link|http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_3|http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#C_3] : C.3. Element Minimization and Empty Element Content Given an empty instance of an element whose content model is not EMPTY (for example, an empty title or paragraph) do not use the minimized form (e.g. use <p></p> and not <p />). From [link|http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Transitional|http://www.w3.org/TR...-1.0-Transitional] : \n<!-- script statements, which may include CDATA sections -->\n<!ELEMENT script (#PCDATA)>\n<!ATTLIST script\n id ID #IMPLIED\n charset %Charset; #IMPLIED\n type %ContentType; #REQUIRED\n src %URI; #IMPLIED\n defer (defer) #IMPLIED\n xml:space (preserve) #FIXED 'preserve'\n >\n ... in contrast to ... \n<!ELEMENT link EMPTY> <--------------------------------\n<!ATTLIST link\n %attrs;\n charset %Charset; #IMPLIED\n href %URI; #IMPLIED\n hreflang %LanguageCode; #IMPLIED\n type %ContentType; #IMPLIED\n rel %LinkTypes; #IMPLIED\n rev %LinkTypes; #IMPLIED\n media %MediaDesc; #IMPLIED\n >\n --
Chris Altmann
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Post #243,395
2/3/06 11:23:33 PM
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Sounds semi-reasonable
I notice that doing that with a font tag: <font style='color:blue' />
leaves a dangling reference in both IE and FireFox (that is, all subsequent text will be in blue. I'm assuming that IE considers that the script tag is unclosed and the remaining text is considered to be script. Of course, that leaves two questions. First, if it considered the text that follows to be part of the opened script tag, why then did it not emit javascript error warnings? And why do the various validators (Todd's included) not issue a warning about the non-well formedness? Oh well, at least you've clued me in on the source of the behavior. :-)
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Post #243,757
2/7/06 2:43:28 PM
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I'll look into generating a better error
as soon as my world stops spinning.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #243,758
2/7/06 2:47:07 PM
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If your life had a soundtrack
To everything ... turn ... turn ... turn ...
There is a season ... turn ... turn ... turn ...
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Post #243,815
2/7/06 11:55:47 PM
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perhaps something in a more recent decade
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
You spin me right round, baby
Right round like a record, baby
Right round round round
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #243,839
2/8/06 9:32:36 AM
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Hah! Soon as I saw subject I started hearing that in my head
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Post #243,890
2/8/06 4:12:35 PM
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You guys suck
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #243,904
2/8/06 6:43:13 PM
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Doesn't sucking create a vortex?
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Post #243,979
2/9/06 5:52:44 AM
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Depends what you're sucking.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #243,987
2/9/06 8:36:41 AM
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and the Viscosity
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Post #243,990
2/9/06 8:56:50 AM
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BDMDOONAOKMAM!
Blowing Diet Mountain Dew Out Of Nose All Over Keyboard Mouse And Monitor.
And my phone, paper, the wall behind my computer, my lamp, writing pad... basically anything on my desk.
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Post #244,059
2/9/06 6:05:55 PM
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whats so funny about the Nikuradse effect?
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Post #244,135
2/10/06 11:02:35 AM
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Answer.
The fact that you replied to non-Lemur hisself with that.
He enjoys a good laugh.
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Post #244,137
2/10/06 11:28:39 AM
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nothing worse than poking someone with a stick
and they dont know they are being poked,
thanx,
bill
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Post #244,030
2/9/06 12:55:24 PM
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Ratt
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #244,195
2/10/06 11:19:48 PM
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What
Nobody [link|http://www.lyricsondemand.com/onehitwonders/roundandroundlyrics.html|got it]?
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #244,196
2/10/06 11:40:52 PM
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Sorry, they were too "hair band" even for me
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Post #244,208
2/11/06 5:46:58 AM
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I always had you down as a Twisted Sister sorta guy.
Peter
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Post #244,213
2/11/06 9:25:33 AM
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Well *they* rocked
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Post #244,211
2/11/06 8:01:58 AM
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Good guitar work. Liked them.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #244,221
2/11/06 10:20:00 AM
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prefered king rat
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Post #243,840
2/8/06 9:33:17 AM
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Nice guys!
Are you trying to ruin his keyboard?
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #243,966
2/9/06 1:27:41 AM
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s'matter? does he need
the [link|http://www.spindoctors.com/|Spin Doctors]?
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #243,995
2/9/06 9:31:43 AM
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We are all ...
... such bastards.
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Post #244,001
2/9/06 10:06:56 AM
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Hey, at least nobody's mentioned flushing yet.
Nor circling the bowl for that matter.
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Post #244,038
2/9/06 2:40:06 PM
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Recursive nausea ... I like it
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Post #243,400
2/3/06 11:55:33 PM
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Code is broken, parser is fine
You might take it up with the html/xml people but script must not be self closing
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #243,399
2/3/06 11:46:05 PM
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It's shite.
The UI is horrible. It's like a mutated version of a fucked-up Firefox. I can't move the toolbars around, and apparently having no menus is some kind of "feature". (You can turn them back on - there's a "please partially un-retard my browser" option)
It's uglier than Mike after a good *shun*ing, too.
Peter
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Post #243,621
2/6/06 2:04:21 PM
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ICLRPD x 2 (new thread)
Created as new thread #243620 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=243620|ICLRPD x 2]
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
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