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Post #239,398 by tuberculosis 12/25/05 2:47:29 PM Reply	Yep, I don't get your point Browser ranking in order of suckyness of 3 leading browsers (which make up about 98% of traffic) is IE 6, Safari, Firefox. So? Of these, two are making improvements. One is stuck in time and it happens to be the suckyest one. So eliminating support for it can only be a good thing. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #239,402 by admin 12/25/05 3:47:43 PM Reply	Re: Yep, I don't get your point You said earlier: "If your browser crashes, you need a new one." Ben said (later on): "Name me a non-broken browser that is available today and is useable on mainstream websites." Peter said: "Firefox, Opera, Safari, Camino" And I said: "Firefox, Safari, and Camino at least are broken" The point being that there aren't ANY browsers that aren't broken. So telling someone they need something new because the old crashes means that no one will be using anything. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #239,477 by tuberculosis 12/26/05 10:59:48 PM Reply	So I should probably add something to my webpage like "Your browser has exceeded this site's minimum suckativity index. Please download a less sucky browser - here are some suggestions". "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush

Graphing in Javascript using Canvas Tag - (tuberculosis) - (82) - Dec. 15, 2005, 09:06:52 PM EST

Nifty, but next to useless, unfortunately. - (admin) - (8) - Dec. 15, 2005, 10:16:45 PM EST

Only if you're supporting broken browsers - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Dec. 16, 2005, 01:33:27 AM EST

Er... - (admin) - (6) - Dec. 16, 2005, 07:13:18 AM EST

Yes, this is a toy - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:05:56 AM EST

What about SVG? - (ChrisR) - (4) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:23:05 AM EST

Its dead, Jim. - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:08:00 PM EST

It's dead on the web. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:53:40 AM EST

Standardization process is broken - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:17:52 PM EST

Have you ever served on standards committee? - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 16, 2005, 03:05:40 PM EST

And it crashes older browsers.... - (Simon_Jester) - (72) - Dec. 20, 2005, 09:22:17 AM EST

Cool! Makes you wanna upgrade! - (tuberculosis) - (71) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:42:08 PM EST

No. Makes me think the web designer is a jackass. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (69) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:43:38 PM EST

If a browser crashes - its not the designer's fault - (tuberculosis) - (68) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:49:46 PM EST

Strongly disagree - (ben_tilly) - (67) - Dec. 20, 2005, 01:04:46 PM EST

I think we have different quality expectations of software - (tuberculosis) - (66) - Dec. 20, 2005, 02:45:35 PM EST

I seem to recall... - (Yendor) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:17:26 PM EST

If it's valid HTML/CSS, that's a browser bug. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:54:11 PM EST

Agree on the crash thing. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:53:07 PM EST

I agree with you about well-written software - (ben_tilly) - (62) - Dec. 20, 2005, 04:14:38 PM EST

Not blaming the users per se - (tuberculosis) - (61) - Dec. 20, 2005, 05:55:08 PM EST

cf. Ada - (jb4) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:28:32 PM EST

member of a working group now, know what ya mean -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:37:43 PM EST

You might not be blaming the users... - (ben_tilly) - (58) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:43:31 PM EST

problem is you are all not willing to use microsoft only -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:05:16 PM EST

The right analogy for that is... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:08:11 PM EST

Or the user is enabling bad coders - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:40:24 PM EST

Suppose I'm a user using an old browser... - (ben_tilly) - (54) - Dec. 20, 2005, 10:46:58 PM EST

By this logic we should all stick to html 3.2 forever - (tuberculosis) - (53) - Dec. 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM EST

Go back to the root conversation - (ben_tilly) - (52) - Dec. 21, 2005, 11:49:20 AM EST

And it hasn't been touched in over 5 years - (tuberculosis) - (49) - Dec. 21, 2005, 12:23:33 PM EST

In other words the 1% figure was a red herring - (ben_tilly) - (48) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:20:51 PM EST

I'm not the one doing the punishing in this scenario - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:45:13 PM EST

You're not? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:17:03 PM EST

One user's pain is another's pleasure - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:20:19 AM EST

Far too often... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:04:14 AM EST

He should not have to -NT - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 11:49:48 AM EST

Is high-bandwidth streaming video a punishment? - (drewk) - (22) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:12:11 PM EST

If you want to limit yourself... do that. - (folkert) - (18) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:04:09 PM EST

No, they're being punsished - (drewk) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:10:59 PM EST

ICLRPDs. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:15:57 PM EST

I wonder how Ben feels about stations - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:46:49 PM EST

Seems the US government is shoving this one - (folkert) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:34:23 PM EST

IIRC - (jb4) - Dec. 27, 2005, 06:49:54 PM EST

I think that the switch is fine... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:38:27 PM EST

No, it is not punishing them. - (folkert) - (11) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:29:32 PM EST

I think you summarized my position pretty well - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:06 PM EST

Firefox is a 5MB download that works well on older computers -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:54:24 PM EST

Not on my old system - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:14:37 PM EST

Re: Not on my old system - (pwhysall) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:46:57 AM EST

Is there a reason? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:23:02 PM EST

"Hu-mour". -NT - (admin) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:03:19 PM EST

Can't be. It isn't funny. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:33:37 PM EST

Beg to differ - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:40:14 PM EST

Maybe to *you* it isn't. - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 05:45:53 PM EST

of course they are misfunctioning, he's a father now -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EST

Agreed - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 07:41:44 PM EST

No - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:39:58 PM EST

Nobody? - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:41 PM EST

People aren't doing that? - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:12:52 PM EST

I disagree - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:33:56 PM EST

Yes, the product is broken. But... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:41:56 PM EST

Also, aren't the users *choosing* to use a broken product? -NT - (pwhysall) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:38:01 PM EST

Same question I offered Todd - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:24:54 PM EST

Firefox, Opera, Safari, Camino -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:47:48 AM EST

Firefox, Safari, and Camino at least are broken - (admin) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 09:06:34 AM EST

Firefox and Safari - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Dec. 24, 2005, 10:56:24 PM EST

Firefox dumps core fairly regularly for me - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 04:41:37 AM EST

Firefox/Deerpark 1.5 beta weird for me on MEPIS. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 25, 2005, 05:11:18 PM EST

Completely missing the point. - (admin) - (3) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:35:08 PM EST

Yep, I don't get your point - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:47:29 PM EST

Re: Yep, I don't get your point - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 03:47:43 PM EST

So I should probably add something to my webpage - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 26, 2005, 10:59:48 PM EST

What Scott said - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:02:36 PM EST

Epiphany -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 10:08:50 AM EST

I haven't used it yet but... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:25:46 PM EST

Well I feel silly - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:59:00 PM EST

And now I feel silly as well - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:04:57 PM EST

Wheee! cha-ching cha-ching - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:15:54 PM EST

LOL - don't feel quite so silly anymore -NT - (SpiceWare) - Dec. 23, 2005, 04:04:24 PM EST

He who pays the piper calls the tune. - (broomberg) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:38:12 PM EST

I understand why it happens. I don't have to like it. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:50:43 PM EST

"The job is not done - (Arkadiy) - Dec. 20, 2005, 08:24:39 PM EST

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