Post #239,349
12/24/05 10:56:24 PM
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Firefox and Safari
Kick IE 6's sorry little ass all over the web when it comes to actually implementing CSS and minimizing leakage.
So I don't know what issues you're specifically referencing, but IE LEAKS LIKE A BLOODY SEIVE (Dynamic Update - AJAX to you - requests are allocating about 8M of ram each in IE but only 4M are getting reclaimed) and doesn't even implement the bloody :hover pseudo class properly thus requiring bits of javascript to hack around it. I could go on, but for my money Firefox is the best browser on the web, Safari is second despite a number of wacky implementation decisions (all of which we've been able to work around once we figured out the "philosophy" of the thing.
Camino I haven't tried in forever but it should be about like Firefox.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #239,381
12/25/05 4:41:37 AM
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Firefox dumps core fairly regularly for me
I don't dispute that it is better than IE. But that isn't saying much.
According to [link|http://secunia.com/search/?search=firefox|http://secunia.com/s...h/?search=firefox], all that has been reported recently are denial of service attacks. But just over 3 months ago a whole ton of "execute arbitrary code" bugs were found in firefox, and I don't doubt that there are plenty more.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #239,391
12/25/05 12:39:33 PM
12/25/05 5:11:18 PM
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Firefox/Deerpark 1.5 beta weird for me on MEPIS.
I installed the latest SimplyMEPIS beta (SimplyMEPIS_3.4-2.rc1.iso)on my T41. Firefox/Deerpark 1.5 beta acts very strangely:
1) The pageup/pagedown keys don't work (it acts as if it goes pagedown then immediately back to the top of the page).
[edit:] This problem seems to be resolved. I was trying to setup the desktop at 1400x1050 and part of the setup was stuck at 1024x768. Changing everything to 1024x768 has fixed this problem. (Apparently I need to edit some config files to get 1400x1050 working...) [/edit]
2) It seems to have no DNS cacheing at all. Every request to z involves about a 15 s delay while it looks up z's address, then there's a long "waiting".
[edit:] This problem seems to be gone as well. ? [/edit]
3) Konquerer seems to act a little better, so it seems to be something about Deerpark. [edit:] Konqueror is working fine now too. [/edit]
(I thought I updated to the released version of Firefox, but I can't seem to find it on the machine.)
Both of these things with Firefox are probably more related to some sort of MEPIS networking/X settings, but I've not had these types of problems with Firefox on Win2k.
Just another datapoint...
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who's going to try the latest release of SimplyMEPIS, then may try Kubuntu. One of his goals for 2006 is to move as much as possible to Linux even if that means running WinforLin/etc. in Linux. [edit:] SimplyMEPIS 3.4-2.rc1 seems worth sticking with at the moment. [/edit])
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Post #239,397
12/25/05 2:35:08 PM
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Completely missing the point.
Yes, Firefox and Safari are better. Yes, IE sucks massive donkey dongs. That doesn't mean that Firefox and Safari aren't broken as well. Just in different, lesser ways.
There are definitely more issues to work around in IE, but I've had to work around issues in Firefox too (try hiding/showing multiple stacked iframes sometime).
Firefox may be the best on the web, but it is still broken.
Camino is much worse than Firefox. Crap-ass port. I couldn't use it for more than a few minutes before stumbling across a bug or a crash.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #239,398
12/25/05 2:47:29 PM
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Yep, I don't get your point
Browser ranking in order of suckyness of 3 leading browsers (which make up about 98% of traffic) is IE 6, Safari, Firefox.
So?
Of these, two are making improvements.
One is stuck in time and it happens to be the suckyest one. So eliminating support for it can only be a good thing.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #239,402
12/25/05 3:47:43 PM
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Re: Yep, I don't get your point
You said earlier: "If your browser crashes, you need a new one."
Ben said (later on): "Name me a non-broken browser that is available today and is useable on mainstream websites."
Peter said: "Firefox, Opera, Safari, Camino"
And I said: "Firefox, Safari, and Camino at least are broken"
The point being that there aren't ANY browsers that aren't broken. So telling someone they need something new because the old crashes means that no one will be using anything.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #239,477
12/26/05 10:59:48 PM
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So I should probably add something to my webpage
like "Your browser has exceeded this site's minimum suckativity index. Please download a less sucky browser - here are some suggestions".
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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