Post #239,005
12/22/05 3:29:32 PM
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No, it is not punishing them.
If you have a service you provide and you have a "minimum service level" that you can make you product work at, you are not punishing the users. You excluding them from participation, until they fix the problem.
Some offerings like that, are sometimes done out of sheer stupidity of not knowing any better. Some are due to ignorance of the group they are trying to reach. Some are done on purpose, to not compromise on the level of service they want to provide.
I still believe stores and of the like should stick to making interfaces that are light enough to run well over Dial-up. Many sadly don't even care though the know.
It is just exclusion, not punishment. Just like Microsoft not supporting the OpenDocument XML spec. They have chosen to not support or interoperate with it, they could at any moment change that stance. It is because they choose to be excluded.
Even if in Ben's scenario, Ben was choosing to stay at the level of "stuff" he was using due to more than one constraint. Some nearly-mandatory, some optional, others on preference.
If it comes down to it, I am sure Ben will admit nothing except optional and preference constraints were the over riding factor for his stagnation in technology terms.
But, then again, I could be wrong.
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Post #239,030
12/22/05 4:50:06 PM
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I think you summarized my position pretty well
I was paying for my wife's medical school, so I didn't have a lot of spare cash. I was living in a dorm that was a shoebox by NYC standards, so I had no room. (I had just enough for my laptop, and that was it. I didn't even have enough room to use a mouse with it!) I anticipated both restrictions improving at a given date, and so was just trying to hang in until then.
At that date they did improve, and I got myself a much nicer computer. Since then I've kept myself fairly current.
However I was poor for long enough that I empathize strongly with people who have a computer that they don't want to replace any sooner than they have to. And I don't think that they should be forced to do so.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #239,032
12/22/05 4:54:24 PM
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Firefox is a 5MB download that works well on older computers
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Post #239,055
12/22/05 8:14:37 PM
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Not on my old system
1. Firefox did not exist.
2. Mozilla binaries required an update to the C libraries that I didn't have room for.
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #239,114
12/23/05 3:46:57 AM
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Re: Not on my old system
1. That's not a very "can-do" attitude.
2. Delete the monkey-pr0n.
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Post #239,219
12/23/05 1:23:02 PM
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Is there a reason?
Why are you acting like such an asshole?
Wondering,
Ben
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Post #239,227
12/23/05 2:03:19 PM
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"Hu-mour".
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #239,239
12/23/05 2:33:37 PM
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Can't be. It isn't funny.
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Post #239,241
12/23/05 2:40:14 PM
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Beg to differ
But it could get funnier. Please, go ahead and say, "But I don't have any monkey pr0n."
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Post #239,271
12/23/05 5:45:53 PM
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Maybe to *you* it isn't.
But then again, I don't think your humor cells are fully functional sometimes, Ben. :-P
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Post #239,272
12/23/05 6:17:01 PM
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of course they are misfunctioning, he's a father now
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Post #239,277
12/23/05 7:41:44 PM
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Agreed
Something about small kids cripples the humour in guys.
But it will come back.
Some day, the tyke will be walking along and will slip.
And you will see it.
In real time.
And your brain will do the possibility for damage calculation.
And will decide it is low enough that you can crack a smile.
Just a little one. Really, a compressed smirk.
And roll your eyes.
And think: Clumsy fuck - must have got it from HER side.
And then it will do the apparent callousness VS guilt calculation.
Along with the chance for getting caught, ie: Wife in the room?
Note: All of this is happening while the kids is flailing his arms
to gain balance. There are no sharp tables edges around, only
very cussiony couch pillows and soft carpet. You are out of range
so there is nothing you can do to help.
That is the day the humour starts creeping in.
Can take a LONG time though.
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