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12/21/05 1:57:53 PM

Volunteers are free.

And the machines make trust and verification harder, not easier.

To put it bluntly, I simply do not believe that it is possible to produce a machine where I can visibly see that the vote I think I've cast (and have received a receipt of some kind for) has voted the way I intend.

I have no way of knowing that, even before the ballot box, my vote hasn't been tampered with.

People and paper have their flaws, but this very fundamental one isn't it.

Peter
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Post #238,802

by Another Scott

12/21/05 2:26:34 PM

See my link.

Volunteers are paid here. :-)

There's a recount going on in Virginia in the Attorney General race. The official margin of victory is [link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/20/AR2005122001409.html|323 votes out of 1.94 M cast]:

Four types of voting machines had been used in the election, complicating matters. Voters in most of the state used optical scanners and touch-screen or lever machines. Individual ballots cannot be recounted on touch-screen and lever machines, but the results can be double-checked from printouts. The judges decided not to rerun ballots through the optical scanners and punch-card machines.

The attorney general's race is the closest statewide election in modern history. State law permits a recount when the margin is less than one percentage point. In this race, the margin was 0.0166 of a percentage point.

Democratic observers allied with Deeds pinpointed discrepancies of just five votes in three precincts, apparently all the result of paper jams when ballots were fed into optical scanners.

The mistakes apparently occurred when poll workers took jammed ballots out of the optical scanner and either ran them through the machine again -- in effect, counting them twice -- or lifted the optical scanner and dropped them in by hand, meaning they were never counted at all.

The machines, which have been used in Loudoun since 1997, reportedly have an error rate of 1 in 4 million, according to county officials. About 60,000 votes were cast in the county in the attorney general's race.

Pencil and paper aren't foolproof either.

FWIW. My final $0.02, I think. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.

In case there was any doubt about Diebold,... - (a6l6e6x) - (35) - Dec. 20, 2005, 10:21:08 PM EST

Electronic Voting Machines - (gdaustin) - (23) - Dec. 20, 2005, 11:17:38 PM EST

Ya know - (jb4) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2005, 10:18:59 AM EST

Nah. - (imric) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2005, 10:21:20 AM EST

**snort** -NT - (jb4) - Dec. 21, 2005, 10:28:37 AM EST

Back to chads my ass - (jake123) - (19) - Dec. 21, 2005, 11:31:59 AM EST

"No humans were used in running this election" - (jb4) - Dec. 21, 2005, 11:34:32 AM EST

That's how Illinois does it. - (Yendor) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2005, 12:04:32 PM EST

Still using punch cards downstate -NT - (Silverlock) - Dec. 21, 2005, 12:34:09 PM EST

Lake county has paper... - (jb4) - Dec. 21, 2005, 04:28:41 PM EST

People cost money and are subject to error. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Dec. 21, 2005, 01:20:35 PM EST

Machines are too easy to cheat with. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Dec. 21, 2005, 01:34:51 PM EST

People do cost money. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Dec. 21, 2005, 01:46:19 PM EST

Volunteers are free. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2005, 01:57:53 PM EST

See my link. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 21, 2005, 02:26:34 PM EST

Concur - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 21, 2005, 01:31:52 PM EST

But your elections are far simpler than ours - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Dec. 21, 2005, 06:18:40 PM EST

So? - (jake123) - (1) - Dec. 21, 2005, 08:06:25 PM EST

I understand the Canadian system - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 21, 2005, 10:22:55 PM EST

Not a problem at all, if one uses a little grey matter. - (CRConrad) - (5) - Dec. 21, 2005, 08:12:38 PM EST

At 2 dozen questions... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 21, 2005, 09:23:59 PM EST

I guess they dont have any black or old people there - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:59:33 AM EST

Intelligent Design? - (pwhysall) - Dec. 22, 2005, 11:34:27 AM EST

So how do you write in Donald Duck... - (jb4) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:56:55 PM EST

With a biro, usually. -NT - (pwhysall) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:21:07 PM EST

Getting some airplay, least on NPR - (Ashton) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:41:30 AM EST

Very well, then - (rcareaga) - (9) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:44:18 PM EST

Love your style. Nice art. Thanks! -NT - (hnick) - Dec. 22, 2005, 10:20:09 PM EST

thank you sir - (boxley) - Dec. 22, 2005, 10:21:02 PM EST

Very nice indeed. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 22, 2005, 10:48:59 PM EST

Wonderful humor! Thanks for the chuckle. -NT - (imqwerky) - Dec. 22, 2005, 11:41:21 PM EST

I am updating my blog in your honor, sir. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Dec. 23, 2005, 12:20:23 AM EST

Simply.. - (Ashton) - Dec. 23, 2005, 07:59:54 AM EST

Well done, Rand! -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Dec. 23, 2005, 09:20:33 AM EST

I've been seeing these in lots of places lately -NT - (Silverlock) - Dec. 23, 2005, 09:41:29 AM EST

Another example of Die**** press du jour - (Ashton) - Dec. 24, 2005, 06:04:45 AM EST

An instinct for the regrettable that is almost uncanny.
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