Post #224,723
9/14/05 10:44:36 AM
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Ignores one factor
There are critiques of government response that involve actions that are beyond the scope of the Fed at this time.
I've pointed this out on several occassions.
Now the suggestions are coming in that involve a "federal power grab"...which I've pointed out will be STRONGLY criticized by the people here. (and if he'd have attempted it before would have been strongly resisted at that time as well).
Now they make the argument for that power grab (the one necessary to implement alot of the things that y'all are demanding of them)...and the screaming begins.
Prescience is a curse :-)
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Post #224,728
9/14/05 11:14:56 AM
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Details?
the things that y'all are demanding of them I don't seem to remember these "demands" aside from doing the job they are supposed to do. -----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.
--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
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Post #224,730
9/14/05 11:28:14 AM
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How about
evacuating those in the city that couldn't evac themselves?
How about dropping military into a US city to establish order? (In advance)
Even more basic, how about eliminating the need to have Fed services be requested by the local responders.
Their are rules established that govern how these things work. Changing these rules amounts to a federal power grab, the one apparently being proposed by the resident idiot.
I'm not surprised by the proposals, or the reactions. You shouldn't be surprised by my "I told you so" either.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #224,733
9/14/05 11:32:31 AM
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I must be dense
I *still* don't remember these demands being made here.
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George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.
--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
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Post #224,755
9/14/05 1:37:35 PM
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The only thing I'm holding him responsible for
is solving the communication, command, and control problem of various emergency services that made responding to 9/11 so difficult. This is what was promised and 4 years later it ain't fixed.
That all by itself constitutes a firing offense.
Throwing that other shit in is you muddying the waters.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #224,748
9/14/05 1:26:26 PM
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No sale
We wanna see the plan. He hasn't show real responsibility with what he has and, frankly, what he has is more than sufficient.
You want a puppy, see if you can keep a plant alive first.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #224,766
9/14/05 2:00:27 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #224765 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=224765|ICLRPD]
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Post #224,795
9/14/05 4:13:42 PM
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I completely agree
I want to see the plan. I want to see all the rules vetted out. I want to see when and where the local, state and federal failures were and plans to have them resolved.
Also agree with the puppy comment. DHS was supposed to be a good idea. It was supposed to fix alot of weaknesses. Currently it hasn't and I, like you, want to know the reason why.
Also, side note, I would like to know why there was such a reliance on cell tech for communication. We have full satellite capability and FEMA is still using cellphones. They are bringing in their own towers and setting up their own network. (One of those no-bids in action)
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Post #224,796
9/14/05 4:19:30 PM
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why are they not using dirigible cell sites?
cheaper than sat, easy to deploy, portable.
thanx,
bill
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Post #224,799
9/14/05 4:25:59 PM
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Perhaps they're overly sensitive to high winds post hurrican
The people, not the balloons.
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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #224,800
9/14/05 4:26:04 PM
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Does Halliburton make those?
If not, there's your answer.
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Post #224,802
9/14/05 4:31:39 PM
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They are now.
COWs
Problem is they come with the teams and require setup and infrastructure that may or may not be in place.
Sat is whenever, wherever
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