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Post #219,712 by admin 8/17/05 10:55:15 AM Reply	For Todd, it was here: [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219412\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=219412] jb4 asked for counterexamples against "all Java applications are crap", and that's when Peter started his list. Whether or not that's what you said, that's the list Peter was presenting. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #219,715 by mmoffitt 8/17/05 11:01:02 AM Reply	Ah. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell

Thinkfree: Java-based MS-Compatible Office Suite. - (Another Scott) - (102) - Aug. 14, 2005, 01:02:58 AM EDT

Cool! - (imqwerky) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:06:33 PM EDT

What's your verdict Amy? - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:37:04 AM EDT

Not too shabby. - (imqwerky) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 08:19:09 AM EDT

Please provide updates/impressions (new thread) - (jbrabeck) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:02:12 AM EDT

NeoOffice/J derivative? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:15:18 PM EDT

Nope. Different code base. -NT - (tjsinclair) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:47:24 PM EDT

Lordy, they're clueless. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:50:11 PM EDT

Not impressed so far - (pwhysall) - (94) - Aug. 14, 2005, 04:08:47 PM EDT

Well,... - (mmoffitt) - (88) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:39:57 PM EDT

Idiot. -NT - (pwhysall) - (84) - Aug. 15, 2005, 01:50:37 PM EDT

Brits have no sense of humor. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (83) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:41:21 PM EDT

No, we laugh at funny things. - (pwhysall) - (82) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:47:03 PM EDT

Yeah, but only Todd would have meant it -NT - (drewk) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:53:15 PM EDT

Right. Java is great. - (mmoffitt) - (80) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:14 PM EDT

ICLRPD - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:07 PM EDT

You're still an idiot, no matter how much you type. -NT - (pwhysall) - (69) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:08:05 PM EDT

That's the best you got? I'm convinced. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (68) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:22:48 PM EDT

Shrug. - (pwhysall) - (67) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:27:23 PM EDT

The best answer to anecdotes are counterexamples... - (jb4) - (66) - Aug. 16, 2005, 02:44:41 PM EDT

Azureus. Eclipse. NeoOffice/J. -NT - (pwhysall) - (64) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:00:45 PM EDT

Google Earth looks very Java-ish, too. -NT - (pwhysall) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:01:49 PM EDT

MoneyDance. - (admin) - (21) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:15:19 PM EDT

2 3... -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:44:33 PM EDT

Yes, IntelliJ is the Bomb! - (jb4) - (19) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:11:23 PM EDT

I use Eclipse for Perl - (pwhysall) - (16) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:19:34 PM EDT

Why? - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:51:19 PM EDT

Someone here uses Eclipse for Perl. - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:53:17 PM EDT

You aren't changing my impression... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:16:29 PM EDT

Instant perldoc, compile-as-you-type, svn support, etc. - (pwhysall) - (11) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:19:53 AM EDT

And... - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:09:09 PM EDT

Re: And... - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:14:01 PM EDT

It was a productivity drain even when I was a beginner - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:23:23 PM EDT

You Are Not Me - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:28:21 PM EDT

Oh, I understand that - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:58:22 PM EDT

I'm puzzled. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:08:09 AM EDT

If you'll notice... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:55:23 AM EDT

FWIW, 175Kloc of Java, no problems in Eclipse or IDEA here - (admin) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:33:20 PM EDT

I think that you'd need language support for that... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:26:58 PM EDT

60Kloc Perl, works fine. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 07:51:10 PM EDT

I'll bet it highlights some non-errors as errors. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 17, 2005, 08:38:07 PM EDT

I've never heard of this language called "addition" ;-) -NT - (jb4) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:40:21 PM EDT

non programmer raises hand - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:45:11 PM EDT

"Pretty HTML front end" - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 08:02:50 PM EDT

NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire. -NT - (Yendor) - (10) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:17:45 PM EDT

No, Maybe, No idea -NT - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:46:04 PM EDT

Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:47:58 PM EDT

But Eclipse is more than a programming tool - (tonytib) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:50:34 PM EDT

So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM EDT

Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:10:09 PM EDT

In your opinion, perhaps. - (Yendor) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:56:22 PM EDT

If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:03:36 PM EDT

IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else. - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:09:28 PM EDT

thanks - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:49:20 PM EDT

np - (Yendor) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:58:28 PM EDT

1 for 3 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (29) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:44:02 PM EDT

Hey, Todd. - (pwhysall) - (21) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:52:07 PM EDT

Mostly used for enterprise, however - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:01:58 PM EDT

So it's a really short list? - (pwhysall) - (19) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:10:45 PM EDT

Oh very well - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:55:15 PM EDT

Why not ObjC: - (admin) - (17) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:38:04 PM EDT

My impression as well. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:48:56 PM EDT

Smalltalk in Objective C - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:47:19 PM EDT

Fine. What does that have to do with anything else? -NT - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:51:14 PM EDT

Bah - disengaging - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:50:55 PM EDT

Er, no. That wasn't the argument. - (admin) - (12) - Aug. 16, 2005, 08:01:01 PM EDT

Whose argument was that? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:09:42 AM EDT

For Todd, it was here: - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Ah. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 17, 2005, 11:01:02 AM EDT

Things were childish long before this - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:12:29 PM EDT

Point missed again. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:15:15 PM EDT

Poof -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:44:05 PM EDT

Who said a damn thing about development? - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:09:28 PM EDT

Hey Peter - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:51:35 AM EDT

That's a lot of words to say... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:56:19 AM EDT

3 lists posted - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:06:19 AM EDT

Come on up! - (jake123) - Aug. 18, 2005, 01:12:13 PM EDT

I thought better of you Peter. (new thread) - (static) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:21:49 PM EDT

Dunno what your problem with NeoOffice is. - (admin) - (6) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:09:01 PM EDT

I don't even use regular office for anything - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:35:04 PM EDT

That's not a problem with NeoOffice - (admin) - (4) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:42:08 PM EDT

ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:50:09 PM EDT

That and it takes too long to start - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:14:15 PM EDT

I leave apps running. - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:16:22 PM EDT

I don't -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:06:51 AM EDT

Jeti. Java-based Jabber client. - (n3jja) - Aug. 17, 2005, 09:05:01 PM EDT

Re: Right. Java is great. - (admin) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Say the last bit in Howard Dean's voice for full effect.HTH! -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:14:53 PM EDT

I'm with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:28:37 PM EDT

That's what you get for being a one-note fiddle. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:31:45 PM EDT

Not as hard as it does to be you. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 08:34:13 PM EDT

Ooh, politics. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 16, 2005, 01:21:04 AM EDT

If that's the case... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:31:55 PM EDT

That was over the top. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 08:37:09 PM EDT

Thanks. -NT - (admin) - Aug. 15, 2005, 09:06:31 PM EDT

Desktop Java sucks - (warmachine) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:47:15 AM EDT

Oh, I dunno - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 02:49:08 PM EDT

Yeah, thanks. -NT - (CRConrad) - Aug. 17, 2005, 04:14:59 AM EDT

That's it! I'm calling all your mothers... - (imqwerky) - (4) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:41:08 PM EDT

OK, 1.2.3.PILE ON AMY!!! -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:29:47 PM EDT

LOL! -NT - (imqwerky) - Aug. 15, 2005, 10:39:52 PM EDT

cool down poppa, don't you blow your top... :-) - (cforde) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:45:08 PM EDT

Don't tax my gig so hardcore, Cruster! - (imqwerky) - Aug. 15, 2005, 10:41:21 PM EDT

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