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Post #219,554 by Yendor 8/16/05 3:17:45 PM Reply	NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #219,564 by tuberculosis 8/16/05 3:46:04 PM Reply	No, Maybe, No idea "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #219,565 by tuberculosis 8/16/05 3:47:58 PM Reply	Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2 "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #219,568 by tonytib 8/16/05 3:50:34 PM Reply	But Eclipse is more than a programming tool with the RCP (Rich Client Platform). Note that Eclipse uses SWT, not Swing or AWT. Tony
Post #219,570 by tuberculosis 8/16/05 3:55:12 PM Reply	So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #219,580 by admin 8/16/05 4:10:09 PM Reply	Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago Visual Mining's NetCharts design tool is an Eclipse plugin. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #219,571 by Yendor 8/16/05 3:56:22 PM Reply	In your opinion, perhaps. In mine, the apps I mentioned are just fine, and fine examples of production-level, GUI-based Java programming. I find DBVisualiser to be the cleanest of the bunch, but I use NetBeans most often. I have also used Eclipse for a while, and it too is a fine Java application. I don't use it for reasons that basically boil down to "Eclipse and all of its extensions still don't do a couple of the things that I want out of an IDE." Other than that, though, I find it a fine application. Let's not forget that You Are Not The God Of All That Is Good And Right In The Java World. I'm not claiming that I am, either, mind you...I'm relating my experiences. And you saying "wrong" does not invalidate my experiences. I will also point you to [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=208591\|this post] where [link\|/forums/render/user?username=mmoffitt\|mmoffitt] claims the same thing, but about a different topic. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #219,575 by tuberculosis 8/16/05 4:03:36 PM Reply	If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA cheap bastard that I am. Ditto Eclipse. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #219,579 by admin 8/16/05 4:09:28 PM Reply	IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else. Except Emacs, of course. :-) I hope they fix the incremental search in IDEA some time. I might actually consider using it again. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #219,566 by Steve Lowe 8/16/05 3:49:20 PM Reply	thanks hadn't played with DB Visualizer, looks cool. Also, [link\|http://www.inetsoftware.de/products/crystalclear/\|i-Net Crystal Clear reports] works pretty good. -- Steve
Post #219,572 by Yendor 8/16/05 3:58:28 PM Reply	np I've paid for it -- it's a much more powerful tool, allowing you to see, view, and change more parts of the database (Oracle, in my case) than the free version. I could be wrong, also, but I believe that the free version expires after 30 days. Use it enough, and you will become addicted... -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania

Thinkfree: Java-based MS-Compatible Office Suite. - (Another Scott) - (102) - Aug. 14, 2005, 01:02:58 AM EDT

Cool! - (imqwerky) - (3) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:06:33 PM EDT

What's your verdict Amy? - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:37:04 AM EDT

Not too shabby. - (imqwerky) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 08:19:09 AM EDT

Please provide updates/impressions (new thread) - (jbrabeck) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:02:12 AM EDT

NeoOffice/J derivative? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:15:18 PM EDT

Nope. Different code base. -NT - (tjsinclair) - (1) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:47:24 PM EDT

Lordy, they're clueless. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 14, 2005, 03:50:11 PM EDT

Not impressed so far - (pwhysall) - (94) - Aug. 14, 2005, 04:08:47 PM EDT

Well,... - (mmoffitt) - (88) - Aug. 15, 2005, 12:39:57 PM EDT

Idiot. -NT - (pwhysall) - (84) - Aug. 15, 2005, 01:50:37 PM EDT

Brits have no sense of humor. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (83) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:41:21 PM EDT

No, we laugh at funny things. - (pwhysall) - (82) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:47:03 PM EDT

Yeah, but only Todd would have meant it -NT - (drewk) - Aug. 15, 2005, 03:53:15 PM EDT

Right. Java is great. - (mmoffitt) - (80) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:14 PM EDT

ICLRPD - (boxley) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:07 PM EDT

You're still an idiot, no matter how much you type. -NT - (pwhysall) - (69) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:08:05 PM EDT

That's the best you got? I'm convinced. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (68) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:22:48 PM EDT

Shrug. - (pwhysall) - (67) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:27:23 PM EDT

The best answer to anecdotes are counterexamples... - (jb4) - (66) - Aug. 16, 2005, 02:44:41 PM EDT

Azureus. Eclipse. NeoOffice/J. -NT - (pwhysall) - (64) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:00:45 PM EDT

Google Earth looks very Java-ish, too. -NT - (pwhysall) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:01:49 PM EDT

MoneyDance. - (admin) - (21) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:15:19 PM EDT

2 3... -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:44:33 PM EDT

Yes, IntelliJ is the Bomb! - (jb4) - (19) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:11:23 PM EDT

I use Eclipse for Perl - (pwhysall) - (16) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:19:34 PM EDT

Why? - (ben_tilly) - (15) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:51:19 PM EDT

Someone here uses Eclipse for Perl. - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:53:17 PM EDT

You aren't changing my impression... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:16:29 PM EDT

Instant perldoc, compile-as-you-type, svn support, etc. - (pwhysall) - (11) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:19:53 AM EDT

And... - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:09:09 PM EDT

Re: And... - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:14:01 PM EDT

It was a productivity drain even when I was a beginner - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:23:23 PM EDT

You Are Not Me - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:28:21 PM EDT

Oh, I understand that - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:58:22 PM EDT

I'm puzzled. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:08:09 AM EDT

If you'll notice... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:55:23 AM EDT

FWIW, 175Kloc of Java, no problems in Eclipse or IDEA here - (admin) - (3) - Aug. 17, 2005, 05:33:20 PM EDT

I think that you'd need language support for that... - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 06:26:58 PM EDT

60Kloc Perl, works fine. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 07:51:10 PM EDT

I'll bet it highlights some non-errors as errors. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 17, 2005, 08:38:07 PM EDT

I've never heard of this language called "addition" ;-) -NT - (jb4) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:40:21 PM EDT

non programmer raises hand - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:45:11 PM EDT

"Pretty HTML front end" - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 08:02:50 PM EDT

NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire. -NT - (Yendor) - (10) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:17:45 PM EDT

No, Maybe, No idea -NT - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:46:04 PM EDT

Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:47:58 PM EDT

But Eclipse is more than a programming tool - (tonytib) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:50:34 PM EDT

So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:55:12 PM EDT

Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:10:09 PM EDT

In your opinion, perhaps. - (Yendor) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:56:22 PM EDT

If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:03:36 PM EDT

IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else. - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:09:28 PM EDT

thanks - (Steve Lowe) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:49:20 PM EDT

np - (Yendor) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:58:28 PM EDT

1 for 3 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (29) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:44:02 PM EDT

Hey, Todd. - (pwhysall) - (21) - Aug. 16, 2005, 03:52:07 PM EDT

Mostly used for enterprise, however - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:01:58 PM EDT

So it's a really short list? - (pwhysall) - (19) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:10:45 PM EDT

Oh very well - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:55:15 PM EDT

Why not ObjC: - (admin) - (17) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:38:04 PM EDT

My impression as well. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:48:56 PM EDT

Smalltalk in Objective C - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:47:19 PM EDT

Fine. What does that have to do with anything else? -NT - (admin) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:51:14 PM EDT

Bah - disengaging - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Aug. 16, 2005, 07:50:55 PM EDT

Er, no. That wasn't the argument. - (admin) - (12) - Aug. 16, 2005, 08:01:01 PM EDT

Whose argument was that? - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:09:42 AM EDT

For Todd, it was here: - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 10:55:15 AM EDT

Ah. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 17, 2005, 11:01:02 AM EDT

Things were childish long before this - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:12:29 PM EDT

Point missed again. -NT - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:15:15 PM EDT

Poof -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:44:05 PM EDT

Who said a damn thing about development? - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 17, 2005, 01:09:28 PM EDT

Hey Peter - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:51:35 AM EDT

That's a lot of words to say... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:56:19 AM EDT

3 lists posted - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:06:19 AM EDT

Come on up! - (jake123) - Aug. 18, 2005, 01:12:13 PM EDT

I thought better of you Peter. (new thread) - (static) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:21:49 PM EDT

Dunno what your problem with NeoOffice is. - (admin) - (6) - Aug. 16, 2005, 04:09:01 PM EDT

I don't even use regular office for anything - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:35:04 PM EDT

That's not a problem with NeoOffice - (admin) - (4) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:42:08 PM EDT

ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Aug. 16, 2005, 06:50:09 PM EDT

That and it takes too long to start - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:14:15 PM EDT

I leave apps running. - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 17, 2005, 12:16:22 PM EDT

I don't -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:06:51 AM EDT

Jeti. Java-based Jabber client. - (n3jja) - Aug. 17, 2005, 09:05:01 PM EDT

Re: Right. Java is great. - (admin) - (8) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:10:05 PM EDT

Say the last bit in Howard Dean's voice for full effect.HTH! -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:14:53 PM EDT

I'm with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:28:37 PM EDT

That's what you get for being a one-note fiddle. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:31:45 PM EDT

Not as hard as it does to be you. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 08:34:13 PM EDT

Ooh, politics. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 16, 2005, 01:21:04 AM EDT

If that's the case... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:31:55 PM EDT

That was over the top. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 08:37:09 PM EDT

Thanks. -NT - (admin) - Aug. 15, 2005, 09:06:31 PM EDT

Desktop Java sucks - (warmachine) - (2) - Aug. 16, 2005, 05:47:15 AM EDT

Oh, I dunno - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 16, 2005, 02:49:08 PM EDT

Yeah, thanks. -NT - (CRConrad) - Aug. 17, 2005, 04:14:59 AM EDT

That's it! I'm calling all your mothers... - (imqwerky) - (4) - Aug. 15, 2005, 04:41:08 PM EDT

OK, 1.2.3.PILE ON AMY!!! -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:29:47 PM EDT

LOL! -NT - (imqwerky) - Aug. 15, 2005, 10:39:52 PM EDT

cool down poppa, don't you blow your top... :-) - (cforde) - (1) - Aug. 15, 2005, 05:45:08 PM EDT

Don't tax my gig so hardcore, Cruster! - (imqwerky) - Aug. 15, 2005, 10:41:21 PM EDT

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