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Post #217,201 by drewk 8/3/05 11:08:47 AM Reply	Sure it would There were reports that lightning hit the plane, but this wouldnt have been a causal factor in the crash. If the strike caused one or more engines to shut down, you lose your engine braking. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #217,203 by mmoffitt 8/3/05 11:14:04 AM Reply	Or short the stupid fly-by-wire crap. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #217,219 by boxley 8/3/05 11:45:31 AM Reply	if airbus does the same testing as we do and emp blast shouldnt affect the fly by wire, much less a lightning strike. thanx, bill Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #217,222 by mmoffitt 8/3/05 11:46:38 AM 8/3/05 11:48:14 AM Reply	Oops, forgot the <sarcasm> Edit: By "we" you mean Boeing I take it? And there is ONE HUGE DIFFERENCE. Pilots of Boeing aircraft can turn the FBW off! Airbus First Officers and Captains can't. And the Airbus has a glorious history of that being a not-so-good idea. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 3, 2005, 11:48:14 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #217,208 by bionerd 8/3/05 11:21:02 AM Reply	Yeah, but they dont think that is what happened here. They're not even sure lightning hit the plane. The Canadian Safety Board will figure it out.

Airplanes and dateless nights - (bionerd) - (73) - Aug. 3, 2005, 10:48:43 AM EDT

Sure it would - (drewk) - (4) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:08:47 AM EDT

Or short the stupid fly-by-wire crap. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:14:04 AM EDT

if airbus does the same testing as we do - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:45:31 AM EDT

Oops, forgot the <sarcasm> - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:48:14 AM EDT

Yeah, but they dont think that is what happened here. - (bionerd) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:21:02 AM EDT

Nit. Airbus is not exclusively French. - (mmoffitt) - (67) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:13:52 AM EDT

I know - (bionerd) - (1) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:17:07 AM EDT

Forgot something. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:34:37 AM EDT

This one was... it was Air France -NT - (jake123) - (64) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:17:53 AM EDT

Air France Concord - (bionerd) - (63) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:29:39 AM EDT

Please madame, it is Concorde! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (62) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:37:22 AM EDT

Potato/Potatoe - (bionerd) - (61) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:51:17 AM EDT

"BA flew to NY in 2 hours 34 minutes and all I got ..." :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:55:25 AM EDT

Feh. The Shuttle does it a lot faster. - (mmoffitt) - (48) - Aug. 3, 2005, 12:08:55 PM EDT

I certainly try to avoid landing in aircraft of any kind -NT - (tuberculosis) - (47) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:37:30 PM EDT

No accounting for taste, I guess. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (46) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:39:15 PM EDT

Look what happened to that "perfectly good airplane" -NT - (tuberculosis) - (45) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:40:46 PM EDT

Who said it was "perfectly good"? It was FBW donchaknow. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (44) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:43:54 PM EDT

Is that really so much less reliable than FBM? - (tuberculosis) - (43) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:52:36 PM EDT

Um, it would have been nice to FBM on these. - (mmoffitt) - (42) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:13:38 PM EDT

What the intent behind FBW? - (admin) - (41) - Aug. 3, 2005, 06:03:48 PM EDT

A few things - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Aug. 3, 2005, 07:18:27 PM EDT

Interesting. - (admin) - Aug. 3, 2005, 07:34:07 PM EDT

Problem is digital failure is ... well, digital - (drewk) - Aug. 3, 2005, 07:56:51 PM EDT

When it's accepted on automobiles, I'll be a believer. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 3, 2005, 08:08:28 PM EDT

United 232 - (bionerd) - (11) - Aug. 3, 2005, 08:47:10 PM EDT

Probably not. - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Aug. 3, 2005, 09:04:37 PM EDT

Re: Probably not. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 4, 2005, 01:30:36 AM EDT

Re: Do regular people think about these things? - (a6l6e6x) - Aug. 3, 2005, 09:10:42 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 3, 2005, 09:11:32 PM EDT

Regular? - (Ashton) - (5) - Aug. 3, 2005, 11:41:26 PM EDT

I recently found out that my FIL worked out there. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Aug. 4, 2005, 08:19:13 AM EDT

{chortle} - (Ashton) - (3) - Aug. 4, 2005, 01:52:05 PM EDT

Thanks. Is this your old haunting ground? - (Another Scott) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2005, 02:03:52 PM EDT

{snerfl} - (Ashton) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2005, 02:57:52 PM EDT

ad some hair to this picture, slim down the jawline - (boxley) - Aug. 4, 2005, 03:23:32 PM EDT

not as much fun as picturing ground zero nuclear - (boxley) - Aug. 4, 2005, 07:39:24 AM EDT

Doesn't FBW mean - (imqwerky) - (4) - Aug. 3, 2005, 07:38:12 PM EDT

FBW == Fly By Wire. HTH! -NT - (jb4) - (3) - Aug. 4, 2005, 09:30:11 AM EDT

I know... :-D - (imqwerky) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2005, 10:46:35 AM EDT

Let's examine the entrails a little more. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2005, 10:51:58 AM EDT

I stand, er, sit corrected! :-P -NT - (imqwerky) - Aug. 4, 2005, 10:54:47 AM EDT

It's mostly a philosophical thing with me. </smirk> - (mmoffitt) - (19) - Aug. 4, 2005, 11:59:25 AM EDT

I think this argues for better FBW actually - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Aug. 4, 2005, 12:36:31 PM EDT

I agree. - (Another Scott) - Aug. 4, 2005, 01:02:37 PM EDT

Say what? - (mmoffitt) - (16) - Aug. 4, 2005, 02:48:30 PM EDT

What "trained pilot"? - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2005, 10:16:25 AM EDT

Doh! </me slaps self on forehead> - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 5, 2005, 01:23:57 PM EDT

My guess - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Aug. 5, 2005, 02:12:57 PM EDT

in an f16 turn off the computer - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2005, 02:14:20 PM EDT

You're so much more succinct that I am. - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 5, 2005, 02:16:55 PM EDT

Then why do Boeing FBW aircraft *all* have "off" switches? - (mmoffitt) - (10) - Aug. 5, 2005, 03:00:31 PM EDT

Probably the pilots demanded them. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Aug. 5, 2005, 03:08:29 PM EDT

I always like this one. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 5, 2005, 03:13:16 PM EDT

But at Mach 3, you'll get found REAL fast.... - (jb4) - (1) - Aug. 5, 2005, 04:11:17 PM EDT

Or 3 states away from where you're supposed to be. ;0) -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 5, 2005, 05:31:11 PM EDT

As goes chess ---> so goes 'piloting'___[???] (new thread) - (Ashton) - Aug. 5, 2005, 04:10:04 PM EDT

IIRC, depends on aircraft design - (tonytib) - (4) - Aug. 5, 2005, 05:55:34 PM EDT

Actually, it won't be the USAF/USN that are the first to... - (CRConrad) - (3) - Aug. 6, 2005, 06:09:45 PM EDT

Guess the F117 doesn't count? -NT - (drewk) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:32:53 AM EDT

Which first flew in 1977. -NT - (pwhysall) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:03:41 PM EDT

Live and learn. I only knew it was butt-ugly. ;-) -NT - (CRConrad) - Aug. 8, 2005, 05:59:41 PM EDT

Very possible to have lunch - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:11:30 PM EDT

OT: Hey Beep. - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Aug. 3, 2005, 03:35:35 PM EDT

Re: OT: Hey Beep. - (bepatient) - (5) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:45:51 PM EDT

K. Thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:53:39 PM EDT

Got any links? Will follow up. -NT - (bepatient) - (3) - Aug. 3, 2005, 06:16:02 PM EDT

Here's a couple. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Aug. 4, 2005, 12:05:04 PM EDT

I know there's support for this - (bepatient) - (1) - Aug. 4, 2005, 03:01:19 PM EDT

I don't think its that far off. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 4, 2005, 05:13:16 PM EDT

Do tell! - (rcareaga) - (2) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:10:44 PM EDT

Dunno about him, but a girl I worked with did it this way. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:15:22 PM EDT

Biz trip - (bepatient) - Aug. 3, 2005, 04:29:48 PM EDT

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