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by bepatient

7/13/05 3:25:36 PM

Nit but likely not minor

But to argue that his action where anything other then a vindictive attempt to smear Wilson is denying the obvious.

My read is that it was not a vindictive attempt to smear Wilson but instead an ill-advised and tremendously stupid defense of the administration. If I understand correctly, the Rove implication only comes from the short conversation with the Time's reporter that said "We didn't send him, she did...so don't write that it was us".

In the process, he indicated wife was agency and while not illegal is definitely qualifying of "leak" status and deserving of termination. GWB said he would fire any leaker. He has one now.

Interested to see how this plays out.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition}

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

Post #214,845

by JayMehaffey

7/14/05 6:22:11 PM

I guess it's possible

I havn't seen anybody explain exactly what the reporters where told about Plame in this case. So I guess it's possible.

But I've read Novak's original article [link|http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml|Novak at Townhall]. And the part about Plame in there stands out like an odd aside that would serve to discredit Wilson, except it's entirly tangental to anything that matters.

Novak has already at that point in the article admited that Cheney was the most important person involved in ordering the investigation in the first place. This is contrary to the idea that it was an attempt to set the record straight on who send Wilson, but of course doesn't directly address the question of what the leaker said to Novak.

In some ways the bit about Plame in there seems more like Novak knew he had this interesting tidbit of information and didn't know how to work it into the flow of the article.

Jay

Rove spoke with reporter about Plame - (admin) - (99) - July 11, 2005, 05:44:45 PM EDT

Nasty press conference - (admin) - (1) - July 11, 2005, 05:50:17 PM EDT

But will this actually get play in the media? -NT - (ben_tilly) - July 11, 2005, 06:05:58 PM EDT

But he didn't name names. - (marlowe) - (18) - July 11, 2005, 07:03:33 PM EDT

Utterly transparent - (JayMehaffey) - July 11, 2005, 07:28:35 PM EDT

Technicality: "Wilson's Wife" is a pretty fair substitute - (tuberculosis) - (7) - July 12, 2005, 01:12:27 AM EDT

The question may well reduce to, - (Ashton) - (6) - July 12, 2005, 02:36:40 AM EDT

It's really a moot point. - (jbrabeck) - (5) - July 12, 2005, 12:00:05 PM EDT

First, need to convict the president. -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4) - July 12, 2005, 12:05:48 PM EDT

President Cheney? <shudder> -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 12, 2005, 12:35:15 PM EDT

And his accomplices - (tuberculosis) - (1) - July 12, 2005, 12:46:49 PM EDT

Logic! _____what hath happened to thy sting.. -NT - (Ashton) - July 12, 2005, 04:07:38 PM EDT

Else he gets an immediate pardon -NT - (ben_tilly) - July 12, 2005, 12:47:54 PM EDT

Ah yesss... - (Ashton) - July 12, 2005, 05:32:47 PM EDT

I know who Marlowe is! parrot party line, check - (boxley) - (6) - July 12, 2005, 08:00:42 PM EDT

Nicely done, Box! -NT - (jb4) - July 13, 2005, 09:50:37 AM EDT

In defense of my pseudonymity... - (marlowe) - (4) - July 14, 2005, 09:34:03 PM EDT

:-) the part that clued me in was a rant about Rove - (boxley) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 09:50:19 PM EDT

Just goes to show how low Hannity will stoop - (jb4) - July 15, 2005, 09:43:56 AM EDT

Better stay on Rove's good side... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 09:55:41 PM EDT

Rove would never out me. - (marlowe) - July 17, 2005, 03:25:30 PM EDT

on not naming names (new thread) - (rcareaga) - July 12, 2005, 10:51:57 PM EDT

I don't care if he's fired...I want jail time! - (jb4) - (77) - July 13, 2005, 09:45:15 AM EDT

Good luck. Here's the Wall Street Journal's take... - (hnick) - (10) - July 13, 2005, 11:51:17 AM EDT

Anonymous author? - (tuberculosis) - (7) - July 13, 2005, 01:01:37 PM EDT

Don't need a name on that one - (JayMehaffey) - (5) - July 13, 2005, 01:16:42 PM EDT

Nit but likely not minor - (bepatient) - (1) - July 13, 2005, 03:25:36 PM EDT

I guess it's possible - (JayMehaffey) - July 14, 2005, 06:22:11 PM EDT

Isn't nepotism a hangable offense? - (ChrisR) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 01:49:47 PM EDT

Nah..its ok here. - (bepatient) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 01:58:12 PM EDT

(ref. B. Ebbers) - (jb4) - July 14, 2005, 04:06:53 PM EDT

Probably James Taranto - (Another Scott) - July 13, 2005, 01:46:18 PM EDT

Did you see "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" on 7/13/05? - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 12:19:57 PM EDT

Linky. - (Another Scott) - July 14, 2005, 12:28:47 PM EDT

You wont get it becasue he didn't break that law - (bepatient) - (65) - July 13, 2005, 12:29:56 PM EDT

How do you pick up the talking points memo so quickly? - (Silverlock) - (9) - July 13, 2005, 12:55:16 PM EDT

Prefer to listen to those who wrote the law. - (bepatient) - (8) - July 13, 2005, 01:08:48 PM EDT

You're kidding right? - (Silverlock) - (7) - July 14, 2005, 09:53:57 AM EDT

You must be - (bepatient) - (6) - July 14, 2005, 11:46:02 AM EDT

C'mon BeeP, you (of all people) know better than that - (jb4) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 01:36:43 PM EDT

And there isn't any - (bepatient) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 01:56:16 PM EDT

But there will be - (jb4) - July 14, 2005, 04:05:09 PM EDT

Let's assume the authors of this piece are non-partisan - (Silverlock) - (2) - July 15, 2005, 08:51:29 PM EDT

That first section is incorrect. - (bepatient) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 09:35:58 PM EDT

Re: That first section is incorrect. - (JayMehaffey) - July 14, 2005, 03:48:16 PM EDT

Her classmate disagrees - (tuberculosis) - (54) - July 13, 2005, 12:57:12 PM EDT

Lemme get this straight... - (jb4) - (53) - July 13, 2005, 02:27:09 PM EDT

Yep - (bepatient) - (52) - July 13, 2005, 03:16:58 PM EDT

Maybe we should wait until the grand jury is done? - (Another Scott) - (51) - July 13, 2005, 03:41:02 PM EDT

Reminescent of Whitewater? -NT - (ChrisR) - July 13, 2005, 04:17:11 PM EDT

Why do that? - (bepatient) - (49) - July 14, 2005, 11:48:16 AM EDT

Fits his MO, done it before, leopards, spots, ya ya ya -NT - (tuberculosis) - (2) - July 14, 2005, 01:29:01 PM EDT

Yep..and same result should apply. - (bepatient) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 01:57:11 PM EDT

I would add jail -NT - (tuberculosis) - July 14, 2005, 04:40:47 PM EDT

I assume that was pointed at me. - (Silverlock) - (45) - July 14, 2005, 02:07:21 PM EDT

Good assumption - (bepatient) - (44) - July 14, 2005, 02:27:26 PM EDT

"who wrote the law" - (Silverlock) - (43) - July 14, 2005, 03:23:00 PM EDT

where is the definition of "covert agent"? -NT - (boxley) - (42) - July 14, 2005, 03:25:03 PM EDT

Try dictionary.com or google or findlaw -NT - (Silverlock) - (41) - July 14, 2005, 03:40:52 PM EDT

lets ask the cia - (boxley) - (40) - July 14, 2005, 03:57:39 PM EDT

Already been discounted - (Silverlock) - (39) - July 14, 2005, 04:12:00 PM EDT

Here - (bepatient) - (38) - July 14, 2005, 04:59:36 PM EDT

That definition might fit. - (ben_tilly) - (37) - July 14, 2005, 05:31:49 PM EDT

Ah, the key... - (Simon_Jester) - (36) - July 14, 2005, 06:39:16 PM EDT

The ripple effect is huge - (broomberg) - (3) - July 14, 2005, 06:54:10 PM EDT

And there is no question... - (ben_tilly) - July 14, 2005, 08:56:21 PM EDT

Watching too many movies Barry - (bepatient) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 09:03:34 PM EDT

Nope, just CIA torture manuals - (broomberg) - July 14, 2005, 10:37:11 PM EDT

We know what she worked on. - (Another Scott) - (31) - July 14, 2005, 07:08:45 PM EDT

Stop that - (bepatient) - (30) - July 14, 2005, 09:02:00 PM EDT

I've wondered why Rove is still around. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 14, 2005, 09:12:29 PM EDT

Bite your tongue - (bepatient) - July 14, 2005, 09:38:55 PM EDT

I don't understand you - (Silverlock) - (27) - July 14, 2005, 09:43:30 PM EDT

This is all partisan - (bepatient) - (26) - July 15, 2005, 08:10:17 AM EDT

Hey Beep: $200MM == 1 day in Iraq - (jb4) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 09:49:52 AM EDT

Instant justification? :-/ -NT - (bepatient) - July 15, 2005, 10:05:49 AM EDT

Whatever. - (Silverlock) - (23) - July 15, 2005, 12:10:29 PM EDT

Are you that dense? - (bepatient) - (18) - July 15, 2005, 12:43:12 PM EDT

Part of the larger picture - (ChrisR) - (3) - July 15, 2005, 01:13:56 PM EDT

No quibbles here. -NT - (bepatient) - July 15, 2005, 01:25:28 PM EDT

Well said. - (imqwerky) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 01:34:51 PM EDT

Must disclose that reviewer has nepotistic ties... - (ChrisR) - July 15, 2005, 02:08:28 PM EDT

I guess I must be - (Silverlock) - (13) - July 15, 2005, 02:37:50 PM EDT

Fine - (bepatient) - (12) - July 15, 2005, 03:36:31 PM EDT

Transcript? - (Silverlock) - (10) - July 15, 2005, 03:47:47 PM EDT

No. - (bepatient) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 05:07:36 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (ben_tilly) - July 15, 2005, 05:13:51 PM EDT

Senate Intelligence Committee report. Long excerpt. - (Another Scott) - (7) - July 15, 2005, 05:42:22 PM EDT

Yeah, but... - (bepatient) - July 15, 2005, 06:20:37 PM EDT

Wilson has always claimed that the CIA sent him.... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - July 15, 2005, 06:51:58 PM EDT

I'd rather avoid the hypotheticals myself. - (Another Scott) - (4) - July 15, 2005, 08:08:35 PM EDT

Be very careful - (bepatient) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 09:39:53 PM EDT

Actually, I agree also. - (Silverlock) - July 15, 2005, 09:53:34 PM EDT

I tend to agree. - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - July 16, 2005, 07:04:49 AM EDT

Had to blame someone. Can't admit a mistake, you know. ;-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 16, 2005, 08:47:54 AM EDT

big banner on the top, neutrality of this page disputed :-) -NT - (boxley) - July 15, 2005, 03:52:03 PM EDT

so rove is guilty, why shouldnt he get the same punishment - (boxley) - (3) - July 15, 2005, 06:02:40 PM EDT

Lost his clearance. That would mean Rove would have to go. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - July 15, 2005, 06:06:38 PM EDT

nope he is a political architect not a spymaster -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 15, 2005, 06:36:03 PM EDT

I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a secret clearance. - (Another Scott) - July 15, 2005, 07:12:43 PM EDT

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