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New There is one huge problem with that theory
There is no mercury in vaccines any more, and the autism rate continues to climb.

There is a very good chance that mercury is a factor in the rise in autism, but it is most likely the case that the rise is caused by some complex interation of agents people are exposed to.

Some of the people talking about the autism / mercury link are anti-vaccine scare mongers. These people have latched onto the rise in autism as their chance to break public vaccination policies.

Jay
New Yup.
New dont know about that
if autism is on the rise I would suspect
1. better reporting
2. relaxed standards on definitions of autism
3. environmental issues such as increased chemical ingestion by the population at large
look at what is different in the environment from years ago. Salt. nitrates, vitieC used to be the main preservatives. Now we have a loaf of bread that has preservatives a chemist would have a hard time understanding.
thanx,
bill
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New The FDA Thimerosal FAQ addresses that.
[link|http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm|Thimerosal FAQ].

Specifically:

Autism and autism-spectrum disorders have been steadily increasing, especially during the 80\ufffds and 90\ufffds. During this time period the number of vaccines that children have received has more than tripled. Doesn\ufffdt this implicate vaccinations as a cause of autism?

The reasons for the apparent increase in the number of cases of autism over the past two decades are complex. In part, the increase can be traced to a broadening of the case definition to include less severe and more atypical presentations of autism. However, the increased number of childhood vaccinations and increased vaccine coverage in recent years in no way constitutes evidence of an association with autism or any other diseases which may have increased in recent years. To the contrary, childhood vaccinations today protect children from devastating illnesses such as meningitis. (The rubella vaccine administered in infancy protects the fetus of the next generation from neurological deficits, and may arguably be described as an anti-autism vaccine).

The association that has been noted by some concerned parents of autistic children that the increase in the prevalence of autism over the last few decades \ufffdclosely matches the introduction and spread of thimerosal-containing vaccines\ufffd is known as an ecological study. Ecological studies alone are generally not accepted as strong evidence of causality, because they do not link individual exposure to individual outcome, and can be subject to confounding by unknown or uncontrollable factors. In addition, it has been noted that some children with autism have high levels of mercury in hair, urine and blood. This observation cannot be interpreted without information on the levels of mercury in individuals without autism (i.e. case-control study). However, such observations do suggest that the hypothesis should be studied further.


The FAQ addresses many of the questions that have come up here (but often not in a great deal of detail). More details on thimerosal are [link|http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm|here].

Note that the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine never contained thimerosal. I'm sure that many recall that in the 1990s there were worries that the [link|http://www.vaccineinformation.org/measles/qandavax.asp|MMR vaccine caused autism]:

Does the MMR vaccine cause autism?
Current scientific evidence does not support the hypothesis that measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism. The question about a possible link between MMR vaccine and autism has been extensively reviewed by independent groups of experts in the U.S. including the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine. These reviews have concluded that the available epidemiologic evidence does not support a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism.

The MMR-autism theory had its origins in research by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues in England. They suggested that inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is linked to persistent viral infection. In 1993, Wakefield and colleagues reported isolating measles virus in the intestinal tissue of persons with IBD. The validity of this finding was later called into question when it could not be reproduced by other researchers.

The studies that suggest a cause-and-effect relationship exists between MMR vaccine and autism have received a lot of attention by the media. However, these studies have significant weaknesses and are far outweighed by many population studies that have consistently failed to show a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism.

For a summary of the issues on this topic, please read "Vaccines and Autism," by Paul A. Offit, MD, Director, Vaccine Education Center, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. This article can be accessed online at: [link|http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm|www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm]


I'm sure that some people who are now pointing toward thimerosal used to point to the MMR vaccine. They simply don't trust that the vaccines are safe and desperately want to find a cause of their child's Autism. Hell, I'd like to know what caused it in my brother too. I suspect, though, that it has a very strong genetic component.

Since symptoms of Autism typically appear a few months after some immunizations, it's natural to think that there's a link to vaccines. But since the brain develops very slowly - in fact it is continuing to mature [link|http://www.abanet.org/crimjust/juvjus/Adolescence.pdf|into the early 20s] - it's not hard to recognize that Autism might be set in motion in the womb and only appear when the brain has achieved a certain configuration.

It's a complicated problem and "obvious" associations often aren't correct. That's why it's important to do careful, controlled studies of large groups to have some hope of figuring out what's really going on in situations like this.

Cheers,
Scott.
New corelation does not imply causation
I second the [link|http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Genetic-Structure-Offers-Insights.asp|genetics link] idea.

It might be interesting to do a study on the geographic distribution of autism as well. Reports like [link|http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dd/report.htm|this one] are a start.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New Thanks for the links.
New Re: There is one huge problem with that theory
As of a few years ago at least, there was still Mercury in some children's vaccines. Our pediatrician had trouble finding a thimerosal-free source for a few of them. Thimerosal is still present in adult flu vaccines. Ask about it the next time you're offered a flu shot.

One of the vexing problems about this debate is that there's a well-established cumulative effect to Mercury exposure. But the company behind any one vaccine can say, with a mostly straight face, that carefully-controlled studies show that theirs doesn't cause problems. The operative phrase "by itself" is left unspoken. Unfortunately, the trend has been to to give kids more and more shots at an early age. There's also some evidence that the proteins responsible for scrubbing the body of heavy metals are missing in some people, leading to an uneven distribution of cases. A shot of bourbon by itself probably won't cause lasting problems, but a bunch of different whiskies all at once might, particularly if you lack the genes for metabolizing alchohol.
New Re: There is one huge problem with that theory
One of the vexing problems about this debate is that there's a well-established cumulative effect to Mercury exposure. But the company behind any one vaccine can say, with a mostly straight face, that carefully-controlled studies show that theirs doesn't cause problems. The operative phrase "by itself" is left unspoken. Unfortunately, the trend has been to to give kids more and more shots at an early age. There's also some evidence that the proteins responsible for scrubbing the body of heavy metals are missing in some people, leading to an uneven distribution of cases. A shot of bourbon by itself probably won't cause lasting problems, but a bunch of different whiskies all at once might, particularly if you lack the genes for metabolizing alchohol.

Yes, that is a huge problem. The FDA should be funding research in matters like that, but they have neither the budget or the will. The problem of different drugs and substances causing problems when mixed even though none is dangerous on it's own is well known but not nearly well enough tracked.

Jay
New I'm confused
You respond to a point about the harmfull effect of mercury in a cummulative sense with, I assume, a distraction regarding the deleterious effects that otherwise innocuous substances can have when mixed with other, innocuous subustances.

Huh?
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New More general problem.
I was commenting on the fact that there are not enough studies done about the mixing of multiple substances. Getting too much mercury from sources that are not individually dangerous is just one small example of that problem.

Jay
     The vaccine/autism connection - (Silverlock) - (25)
         I'm not convinced. - (Another Scott) - (4)
             No skin off my nose. - (Silverlock)
             You should be. - (bionerd) - (1)
                 A couple of things. - (Another Scott)
             Re: I'm not convinced. - (andread)
         Beware of "Post hoc ergo prompter hoc". -NT - (mmoffitt)
         Research also suggest a link between Multiple Sclerosis - (bionerd)
         There is one huge problem with that theory - (JayMehaffey) - (9)
             Yup. -NT - (Another Scott)
             dont know about that - (boxley) - (3)
                 The FDA Thimerosal FAQ addresses that. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     corelation does not imply causation - (cforde) - (1)
                         Thanks for the links. -NT - (Another Scott)
             Re: There is one huge problem with that theory - (dws) - (3)
                 Re: There is one huge problem with that theory - (JayMehaffey) - (2)
                     I'm confused - (Silverlock) - (1)
                         More general problem. - (JayMehaffey)
         Note that there are several related Salon articles, today - (Ashton) - (5)
             Maybe it's me, but Salon's Day Pass goes in an infinite loop - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 Hmmm- - (bionerd) - (3)
                     I guess I need to check some cookies, etc. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                         Hmmmm - (Ashton) - (1)
                             Well, my mojo doesn't seem to be working with them. - (Another Scott)
         New York Times article. - (Another Scott) - (1)
             This is not at all surprising. - (Andrew Grygus)

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