Post #211,409
6/16/05 10:22:57 AM
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The vaccine/autism connection
New article at [link|http://salon.com/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html|Salon] When a study revealed that mercury in childhood vaccines may have caused autism in thousands of kids, the government rushed to conceal the data -- and to prevent parents from suing drug companies for their role in the epidemic.
- - - - - - - - - - - - By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
June 16, 2005 | In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.
The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.
Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."
But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.
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Post #211,412
6/16/05 10:44:30 AM
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I'm not convinced.
Kennedy seems to me to be scare-mongering. 1) The story about the study was out in [link|http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/11/15/alarming_expose_of_research_manipulation.htm|November 2003]. 2) An article on vaccines from September 2001, [link|http://www.nmclph.med.navy.mil/PREVMED_Documents/General/acsh_vaccinerep.pdf|here] (48 page .pdf) says: [p. 28-29]Thimerosal
Thimerosal is a vaccine preservative which has been present in vaccines since the 1930\ufffds because of its antimicrobial activity. The antimicrobial action of thimerosal is particularly important where multidose vials are in use. A derivative of ethyl mercury, thimerosal contains approximately 49.6 percent mercury. Presently there is no evidence of that thimerosal has been causally linked to any health risk in children. 11,12 However, overall exposure of children to mercury is a public health concern and the removal of thimerosal from vaccines is a realistic measure designed to reduce total exposure to mercury.
In a thimerosal risk assessment conducted by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and reported by Ball and others, no evidence of harm other than local hypersensitivity reactions was demonstrated at doses of thimerosal found in vaccines.14 However, Ball\ufffds report does suggest that some infants may be exposed to cumulative levels of mercury during the first six months of life that exceed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommendations. In July 1999, based in part on the FDA\ufffds risk assessment, the AAP and the US Public Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.14
As a result of the desire to reduce mercury exposure, the AAFP, AAP and the ACIP established a goal in July of 1999 to remove or significantly reduce thimerosal in vaccines.12 Manufacturers have responded to the concern. Both the Hepatitis B vaccine and the Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccines are now available in thimerosal-free formulations. A thimerosal-free DTaP vaccine produced by Smith-Kline has been licensed in the United States since 1997. These changes have reduced exposure to ethyl mercury by at least 70 percent. It should be noted that measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, inactivated polio and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have never contained thimerosal. In addition, the CDC is utilizing its Vaccine Safety Datalink project to assess the potential of linkage between thimerosal-containing vaccines and several neurologic and developmental diagnoses.
Preliminary studies looking at very premature infants immunized with Hepatitis B vaccine containing thimerosal indicated the possibility of elevated mercury levels in those infants immunized during the first week of life. Similar studies in term infants failed to find blood mercury levels that exceeded background (less than 2 mcg/L).12 Ongoing analysis of large linked databases is underway but preliminary analysis does not support a causal link between thimerosal and a variety of renal and neurologic diagnoses. Significantly, there was no increased risk detected in premature infants. Despite the decision to markedly reduce or remove thimerosal from the U.S. market, analysis of larger datasets is continuing. In short, it seems that Kennedy is trying to fan a controversy where none exists. Thimerosal is not in many childhood vaccines. And it is already being removed from those where it is present. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #211,418
6/16/05 11:32:59 AM
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No skin off my nose.
I just thought it was interesting that they tried to hide so much. I'll send you a Thimerosal and coke real soon now for your skeptical pleasure.
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Post #211,422
6/16/05 11:52:27 AM
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You should be.
The Salon article paints an accurate picture about the link between vaccines and autism. Autism is undeniably on the rise and vaccines being a causal factor is real. Anecdotally, my daughter had 3 autistic kids mainstreamed in her kindergarten class this year. My friend is the director of an Autism Center here in Metro Detroit. Her son was diagnosed with autism at age 2. My son's sensory issues fall within the autism spectrum. This is a very real problem. I hope that one day the truth will be known. But until then, it's up to us parents to be aware of the issues and help our kids the best we can without any support from the government or the health care field.
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Post #211,424
6/16/05 1:10:13 PM
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A couple of things.
1) I know a little about autism too. See [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=203631|#203631]. 2) See [link|http://www.straightdope.com/columns/040723.html|The Straight Dope] on mercury and thimerosal. Mercury, in high enough doses, does bad things. Nobody disputes that. Thimerosal has been used since the 1930s in vaccines. Mercury was much more commonly used in general back then too - mercury thermometers and barometers, mercurochrome, vacuum pump fluids, lamps, pesticides, dental fillings, etc., etc. All of those uses for mercury were phased out or are being phased out. [link|http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/autism.cfm|Autism] is very complicated. Nobody knows what causes it, or if it has a single cause. A summary of a November 2001 [link|http://www.nimh.nih.gov/autismiacc/iaccmeeting.pdf|Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee Meeting] (18 page .pdf): [p. 7-8]Discussion on the link between vaccines and autism
Mr. Albert Enayati, a meeting attendee, asked about the association between vaccines and autism. He noted that an overwhelming majority of parents at a recent meeting felt strongly that thimerosal (a preservative used in vaccines that contains ethyl mercury) caused autism in their children.
Dr. Alexander acknowledged that this is a topic that has received a tremendous amount of attention. He cited several separate and independent efforts--including those by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) and the United Kingdom\ufffds Committee on Safety of Medicine--that have pointed to the lack of support for an association between autism and the MMR vaccine. At the same time, a number of groups are trying to address this issue. These include the CPEAs\ufffd work in conjunction with the CDC discussed above. Another effort involves the National Children\ufffds Study (NCS), a longitudinal cohort study of environmental effects on child health and development, which was mandated when the Children's Health Act of 2000 was signed into law, laying the groundwork for a 30-year study to follow 100,000 children from before birth to adulthood. This effort, led by the NICHD, CDC, and EPA, together with other NIH Institutes and Federal agencies, will include data on environmental exposures during pregnancy and postnatally to examine environmental agents including vaccines. This study might be able to address this question of the link between MMR vaccine and autism as well.
Concerns about the ability of the NCS to answer the vaccine-autism link were raised. Dr. Jos\ufffd Cordero clarified that the MMR vaccine does not contain thimerosal. Studies can only be done in a retrospective fashion because currently available vaccines do not contain or contain only trace amounts of thimerosal. Thus, the NCS with its prospective, longitudinal design may not be able to definitively address the vaccine-autism link. Ms. Barbara Loe Fisher, a meeting attendee and President of the National Vaccine Information Center, stated that the epidemiological design of the NCS is insufficient to address the vaccine-autism link and asked if more in-depth studies are planned. Dr. Alexander noted that up to 10-20 percent of children do not receive vaccines; the size of the study may allow for adequate comparisons of the impact of vaccines. He also said that the NCS is an observational study and plans for in-depth studies such as brain imaging have not been determined.
Dr. Gordon cautioned against an over-focus on vaccines. The cause or causes of autism have yet to be determined, and there is an extremely large number of possibilities. He suggested that the public needs to be educated about the plausibility of reported findings and about how much investigative weight to apply to such findings. Perhaps criteria can be agreed upon, by public groups as well as by scientific ones, by which reported findings could be evaluated. Studies are underway to try to get a better handle on the causes of autism. All the evidence thus far does not support a link between childhood vaccines and/or thimerosal and autism. I'd like to see evidence for the contrary, if there is any. I don't find comments by those who see a grand conspiracy, or by those who feel that the vast majority of scientists who devote their lives to studying these issues are idiots or dupes, to be convincing though. (I'm not accusing you of these things - rather that's my impression of stories like Kennedy's and many of the web sites out there.) FWIW. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #211,457
6/16/05 4:33:53 PM
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Re: I'm not convinced.
yet Republican leaders want to give drug companies immunity to lawsuits and prevent states from issuing warnings about mercury in vaccines
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Post #211,417
6/16/05 11:31:04 AM
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Beware of "Post hoc ergo prompter hoc".
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #211,423
6/16/05 12:54:18 PM
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Research also suggest a link between Multiple Sclerosis
and mercury in teeth fillings. Both my dad and his mother died of MS. My dad had a mouthful of fillings. At one point I considered getting my fillings removed but never did. Fortunately, the onset of the disease is usually young adulthood, and I'm past that. [link|http://www.life.ca/nl/53/mercury.html|http://www.life.ca/nl/53/mercury.html] A Danish study found that Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patients had eight times higher levels of mercury in their cerebrospinal fluid than healthy controls. An article in the Journal of Forensic Medicine & Pathology states: \ufffdSlow retrograde seepage of mercury from root canal or Class V amalgam fillings...may lead to multiple sclerosis in middle age.\ufffd Dr. Hal Huggins of Colorado Springs, Colorado, a dentist who has MS himself, treats MS victims and people with other chronic health problems by removing mercury amalgam fillings as well as with detoxification and nutritional supplementation. He claims that 80 to 85 percent of his patients improve significantly. [link|http://www.hendess.net/ms_e.htm#Amalgam|http://www.hendess.net/ms_e.htm#Amalgam] One characteristic of MS seems to be ignored completely. MS only seems to have existed for less than the past 200 years. It was first described by Cruveilhier in 1835. A generally valid description of MS symptoms was made by Charcot in the year 1868. In 1904 the description was supplemented by M\ufffdller.
What happened at this period of time?
Shortly after 1800, for example, people in Europe first had their teeth filled with amalgam ([link|http://www.amalgam.org|http://www.amalgam.org]), first in England and then in France. This rather exact chronological correspondence with the beginning of the MS disease could be a pure coincidence. However there are further indications that lead to amalgam.
Observations have been made that MS occurs more often in industrialized countries than in third-world countries [3]. Until now there is no commonly accepted explanation. Amalgam could fill this explanation gap quite easily.
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Post #211,491
6/16/05 10:53:48 PM
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There is one huge problem with that theory
There is no mercury in vaccines any more, and the autism rate continues to climb.
There is a very good chance that mercury is a factor in the rise in autism, but it is most likely the case that the rise is caused by some complex interation of agents people are exposed to.
Some of the people talking about the autism / mercury link are anti-vaccine scare mongers. These people have latched onto the rise in autism as their chance to break public vaccination policies.
Jay
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Post #211,495
6/16/05 11:36:38 PM
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Yup.
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Post #211,496
6/16/05 11:39:49 PM
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dont know about that
if autism is on the rise I would suspect 1. better reporting 2. relaxed standards on definitions of autism 3. environmental issues such as increased chemical ingestion by the population at large look at what is different in the environment from years ago. Salt. nitrates, vitieC used to be the main preservatives. Now we have a loaf of bread that has preservatives a chemist would have a hard time understanding. thanx, bill
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Post #211,498
6/17/05 12:37:25 AM
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The FDA Thimerosal FAQ addresses that.
[link|http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm|Thimerosal FAQ]. Specifically: Autism and autism-spectrum disorders have been steadily increasing, especially during the 80\ufffds and 90\ufffds. During this time period the number of vaccines that children have received has more than tripled. Doesn\ufffdt this implicate vaccinations as a cause of autism?
The reasons for the apparent increase in the number of cases of autism over the past two decades are complex. In part, the increase can be traced to a broadening of the case definition to include less severe and more atypical presentations of autism. However, the increased number of childhood vaccinations and increased vaccine coverage in recent years in no way constitutes evidence of an association with autism or any other diseases which may have increased in recent years. To the contrary, childhood vaccinations today protect children from devastating illnesses such as meningitis. (The rubella vaccine administered in infancy protects the fetus of the next generation from neurological deficits, and may arguably be described as an anti-autism vaccine).
The association that has been noted by some concerned parents of autistic children that the increase in the prevalence of autism over the last few decades \ufffdclosely matches the introduction and spread of thimerosal-containing vaccines\ufffd is known as an ecological study. Ecological studies alone are generally not accepted as strong evidence of causality, because they do not link individual exposure to individual outcome, and can be subject to confounding by unknown or uncontrollable factors. In addition, it has been noted that some children with autism have high levels of mercury in hair, urine and blood. This observation cannot be interpreted without information on the levels of mercury in individuals without autism (i.e. case-control study). However, such observations do suggest that the hypothesis should be studied further. The FAQ addresses many of the questions that have come up here (but often not in a great deal of detail). More details on thimerosal are [link|http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm|here]. Note that the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine never contained thimerosal. I'm sure that many recall that in the 1990s there were worries that the [link|http://www.vaccineinformation.org/measles/qandavax.asp|MMR vaccine caused autism]: Does the MMR vaccine cause autism? Current scientific evidence does not support the hypothesis that measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism. The question about a possible link between MMR vaccine and autism has been extensively reviewed by independent groups of experts in the U.S. including the National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine. These reviews have concluded that the available epidemiologic evidence does not support a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism.
The MMR-autism theory had its origins in research by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues in England. They suggested that inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is linked to persistent viral infection. In 1993, Wakefield and colleagues reported isolating measles virus in the intestinal tissue of persons with IBD. The validity of this finding was later called into question when it could not be reproduced by other researchers.
The studies that suggest a cause-and-effect relationship exists between MMR vaccine and autism have received a lot of attention by the media. However, these studies have significant weaknesses and are far outweighed by many population studies that have consistently failed to show a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism.
For a summary of the issues on this topic, please read "Vaccines and Autism," by Paul A. Offit, MD, Director, Vaccine Education Center, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. This article can be accessed online at: [link|http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm|www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2065.htm] I'm sure that some people who are now pointing toward thimerosal used to point to the MMR vaccine. They simply don't trust that the vaccines are safe and desperately want to find a cause of their child's Autism. Hell, I'd like to know what caused it in my brother too. I suspect, though, that it has a very strong genetic component. Since symptoms of Autism typically appear a few months after some immunizations, it's natural to think that there's a link to vaccines. But since the brain develops very slowly - in fact it is continuing to mature [link|http://www.abanet.org/crimjust/juvjus/Adolescence.pdf|into the early 20s] - it's not hard to recognize that Autism might be set in motion in the womb and only appear when the brain has achieved a certain configuration. It's a complicated problem and "obvious" associations often aren't correct. That's why it's important to do careful, controlled studies of large groups to have some hope of figuring out what's really going on in situations like this. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #211,502
6/17/05 3:51:56 AM
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corelation does not imply causation
I second the [link|http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Genetic-Structure-Offers-Insights.asp|genetics link] idea.
It might be interesting to do a study on the geographic distribution of autism as well. Reports like [link|http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dd/report.htm|this one] are a start.
Have fun, Carl Forde
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Post #211,507
6/17/05 7:50:13 AM
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Thanks for the links.
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Post #211,497
6/16/05 11:48:33 PM
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Re: There is one huge problem with that theory
As of a few years ago at least, there was still Mercury in some children's vaccines. Our pediatrician had trouble finding a thimerosal-free source for a few of them. Thimerosal is still present in adult flu vaccines. Ask about it the next time you're offered a flu shot.
One of the vexing problems about this debate is that there's a well-established cumulative effect to Mercury exposure. But the company behind any one vaccine can say, with a mostly straight face, that carefully-controlled studies show that theirs doesn't cause problems. The operative phrase "by itself" is left unspoken. Unfortunately, the trend has been to to give kids more and more shots at an early age. There's also some evidence that the proteins responsible for scrubbing the body of heavy metals are missing in some people, leading to an uneven distribution of cases. A shot of bourbon by itself probably won't cause lasting problems, but a bunch of different whiskies all at once might, particularly if you lack the genes for metabolizing alchohol.
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Post #211,603
6/17/05 7:53:54 PM
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Re: There is one huge problem with that theory
One of the vexing problems about this debate is that there's a well-established cumulative effect to Mercury exposure. But the company behind any one vaccine can say, with a mostly straight face, that carefully-controlled studies show that theirs doesn't cause problems. The operative phrase "by itself" is left unspoken. Unfortunately, the trend has been to to give kids more and more shots at an early age. There's also some evidence that the proteins responsible for scrubbing the body of heavy metals are missing in some people, leading to an uneven distribution of cases. A shot of bourbon by itself probably won't cause lasting problems, but a bunch of different whiskies all at once might, particularly if you lack the genes for metabolizing alchohol. Yes, that is a huge problem. The FDA should be funding research in matters like that, but they have neither the budget or the will. The problem of different drugs and substances causing problems when mixed even though none is dangerous on it's own is well known but not nearly well enough tracked. Jay
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Post #211,615
6/18/05 12:16:53 AM
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I'm confused
You respond to a point about the harmfull effect of mercury in a cummulative sense with, I assume, a distraction regarding the deleterious effects that otherwise innocuous substances can have when mixed with other, innocuous subustances.
Huh?
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Post #211,633
6/18/05 10:24:06 AM
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More general problem.
I was commenting on the fact that there are not enough studies done about the mixing of multiple substances. Getting too much mercury from sources that are not individually dangerous is just one small example of that problem.
Jay
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Post #211,503
6/17/05 4:44:43 AM
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Note that there are several related Salon articles, today
[link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/06/16/clark/index.html|http://www.salon.com.../clark/index.html]
[link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html|http://www.salon.com...erosal/index.html]
[link|http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal_links/index.html|http://www.salon.com..._links/index.html]
and Letters section:
[link|http://www.salon.com/opinion/letters/2005/06/17/thimerosal/index.html|http://www.salon.com...erosal/index.html]
I may get around to these, acknowledging that establishing "causality" in an enviro of n! kinds of man-made crap-molecules in everything from the food/water to.. smell-o-vision inserts in newspapers:
ain't never gonna be facilitated by the legions who Like Things Personally-profitable as they are. (Add: adequately-*funded* research grants, to the Infinite Improbability Generator, set to: stasis.)
(This is hardly a new topic of enquiry/concern. It's just relatively-new to the era of infinite net info. of vastly-variable worth.) Not all the people who have questioned various aspects of overall immunization models / questioned the absence of long-term studies of what correlations Might be made -- have been loonies of Fluoridation is a Commie Plot ilk). But enough have been.. to desensitive many/most who might.. have paid attention.
I think that the n! actuality: guarantees little chance for any resolution of this and many other aspects of our massive drug-taking speed-24/7-culture. After all - it's now a Big-OK that little Kevin is diagnosed 'hyper-__fill-in-blank__' and needs his daily Ritalin derivative + his __ while mom n'dad pop their daily "acid neutralizers" so they can have the garlic pasta, burgers AND the other stuff their digestive system indicated that: it doesn't like, a lot. (What does IT know?)
(Oh: Wasn't it pronounced "Rye-tal'-in", in its original Star Trek carnation?)
Which, overall is why - maybe I'll read this recent salvo anon.
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Post #211,508
6/17/05 8:01:42 AM
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Maybe it's me, but Salon's Day Pass goes in an infinite loop
Yeah, I know, I should subscribe. But I've not been able to read enough of the stuff there to decide whether it's worthwhile. Except for maybe once a few years ago, every time I've tried to read something on Salon with their Day Pass, it's gone into a loop.
Last night:
See first few paragraphs of article. Day Pass or Subscribe? Click on Day Pass See annoying Winders Media Center ad Click on Enter Salon See first few paragraphs of article. Day Pass or Subscribe? Click on Day Pass See annoying Winders Media Center ad ...
MMMV. :-/
I'm using Firefox and Adblock, but I don't think Adblock is doing anything untoward there. I had the same problems with Mozilla (and Privoxy).
(CommonDreams often reprints stuff on Salon (in this case they have a similar letter from RFK, jr, from [link|http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0413-31.htm|April], but without the extra linkys on Salon.)
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #211,533
6/17/05 10:57:37 AM
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Hmmm-
I'm using firefox with ad block and had no prob with the day pass thingy.
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Post #211,534
6/17/05 11:05:55 AM
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I guess I need to check some cookies, etc. Thanks.
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Post #212,037
6/22/05 2:41:57 AM
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Hmmmm
You be Pro and.. ya don't nuke gratuitous cookies daily?
{sheesh} Do I gots ta tell ya Everything? (Besides, look at the joy you're missing - everytime you send to oblivion anything with the series a d v e r in it)
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Post #212,050
6/22/05 8:13:10 AM
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Well, my mojo doesn't seem to be working with them.
My recollection is that if I had Privoxy on when I tried to use the Day Pass, then the ad wouldn't play, but I wouldn't be able to proceed either. I'm not using Privoxy any more (after issues with downloading source code and having "open(" be replaced by "concat(").
So, Adblock is set to allow the ad from Salon. There's nothing obvious from Salon in the list of blocked elements for Adblock v0.5 d2 Nightly * build 39.
When I said I'd check my cookies - I meant to see if I had them set to block things from Salon. I have Firefox set to Allow cookies, but there's no obvious cookie from Salon (unless it's one of the IP number sites). It does look like I need to clean it out again though...
Whoops, checking the Exceptions button (I'm used to the Mozilla interface and hadn't checked this before), I see that www.salon.com is blocked from setting cookies. I'll have to mess around with the exceptions list when I get a chance. Thanks for the jab to recheck this.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #212,569
6/25/05 12:46:02 PM
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New York Times article.
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/25/science/25autism.html?ei=5094&en=6e0932b54736c849&hp=&ex=1119758400&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print|Here]: [...]
Yet despite all evidence to the contrary, the number of parents who blame thimerosal for their children's autism has only increased. And in recent months, these parents have used their numbers, their passion and their organizing skills to become a potent national force. The issue has become one of the most fractious and divisive in pediatric medicine.
"This is like nothing I've ever seen before," Dr. Melinda Wharton, deputy director of the National Immunization Program, told a gathering of immunization officials in Washington in March. "It's an era where it appears that science isn't enough."
Parents have filed more than 4,800 lawsuits - 200 from February to April alone - pushed for state and federal legislation banning thimerosal and taken out full-page advertisements in major newspapers. They have also gained the support of politicians, including Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut, and Representatives Dan Burton, Republican of Indiana, and Dave Weldon, Republican of Florida. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote an article in the June 16 issue of Rolling Stone magazine arguing that most studies of the issue are flawed and that public health officials are conspiring with drug makers to cover up the damage caused by thimerosal.
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In 2000, a group of parents joined together to found SafeMinds, one of several organizations that argue that thimerosal is that environmental culprit. Their cause has been championed by politicians like Mr. Burton.
"My grandson received nine shots in one day, seven of which contained thimerosal, which is 50 percent mercury as you know, and he became autistic a short time later," he said in an interview.
In a series of House hearings held from 2000 through 2004, Mr. Burton called the leading experts who assert that vaccines cause autism to testify. They included a chemistry professor at the University of Kentucky who says that dental fillings cause or exacerbate autism and other diseases and a doctor from Baton Rouge, La., who says that God spoke to her through an 87-year-old priest and told her that vaccines caused autism.
Also testifying were Dr. Mark Geier and his son, David Geier, the experts whose work is most frequently cited by parents.
Trying to Build a Case
Dr. Geier has called the use of thimerosal in vaccines the world's "greatest catastrophe that's ever happened, regardless of cause." Piling it on a little thick there... :-/ In 2003, spurred by parents' demands, the C.D.C. asked the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences and the nation's most prestigious medical advisory group, to review the evidence on thimerosal and autism.
In a report last year, a panel convened by the institute dismissed the Geiers' work as having such serious flaws that their studies were "uninterpretable." Some of the Geiers' mathematical formulas, the committee found, "provided no information," and the Geiers used basic scientific terms like "attributable risk" incorrectly.
In contrast, the committee found five studies that examined hundreds of thousands of health records of children in the United States, Britain, Denmark and Sweden to be persuasive.
A study by the World Health Organization, for example, examined the health records of 109,863 children born in Britain from 1988 to 1997 and found that children who had received the most thimerosal in vaccines had the lowest incidence of developmental problems like autism.
Another study examined the records of 467,450 Danish children born from 1990 to 1996. It found that after 1992, when the country's only thimerosal-containing vaccine was replaced by one free of the preservative, autism rates rose rather than fell.
In one of the most comprehensive studies, a 2003 report by C.D.C. scientists examined the medical records of more than 125,000 children born in the United States from 1991 to 1999. It found no difference in autism rates among children exposed to various amounts of thimerosal.
[...] I really hope the Congress and the Senate stay out of this and let the scientists do their job. Cheers, Scott.
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6/25/05 5:02:53 PM
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This is not at all surprising.
People have learned that when corporations are involved scientists lie and authorities lie. the "nut cases" have been right enough times they now don't trust scientists or authorities and are easy prey for any rabble rouser who wants to see his name in print.
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