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4/30/05 2:07:42 PM

Here's what I think you're expecting...

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We'll see how long this theory lasts when it encounters developers whose code sucks, who know that their code sucks, and are afraid that your actions will point the finger at them. There is little nastier than political infighting from people who know that they are in the wrong. I'd like to suggest that you read The Prince to figure out how to make your hopes more likely to happen. Also you might want to read [link|http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=270083|http://www.perlmonks...pl?node_id=270083] and think carefully about the problem of how to criticize people without getting their egos involved.

Another interesting resource is The Psychology of Computer Programming. Its advice is all good, but you're unlikely to find yourself in a good enough political position to make people do that.

Cheers,
Ben

I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Post #205,346

4/30/05 3:25:52 PM

Heh, good point

But I'm leaving a place where the person in charge didn't like to hear when he was wrong. This is the guy who used exclusively LEFT JOIN in all his queries because he didn't know -- until I pointed it out to him about two years ago -- the differences among various options. (Yes, he still uses esclusively LEFT JOIN.)

He won't trust anyone else with the admin password on the DB servers, making him the de facto DBA. He doesn't want to hire a DBA because he doesn't think we need one. Primary DB server has 6 replicated slaves. Secondary server has two slaves on-site, and another slave in each of 5 field offices. Millions of transactions per day. A pending request from our largest customer (representing nearly 50% of our volume) that, if implemented as they asked for, would produce about 100k transactions per minute, sustained. Nope, we don't need a DBA.

It became clear he didn't want to hear anything that contradicted his conclusions. I started looking. I'm leaving. As a good friend of mine says: If you can't change your company, change your company. Works for bosses, too: If you can't change your people, change your people.

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$whore++ - (drewk) - (31) - April 29, 2005, 10:07:05 PM EDT

Hey, maybe it'll work - (broomberg) - (22) - April 29, 2005, 10:15:47 PM EDT

I've got this theory - (drewk) - (17) - April 29, 2005, 10:36:15 PM EDT

We'll see what really happens - (broomberg) - April 29, 2005, 11:45:21 PM EDT

Argument strength - (tuberculosis) - (15) - April 30, 2005, 02:16:09 PM EDT

Isn't that statement too strong? - (Another Scott) - (14) - April 30, 2005, 02:58:00 PM EDT

You're both right - (drewk) - April 30, 2005, 03:11:59 PM EDT

Not entirely mistaken - (hnick) - (1) - April 30, 2005, 03:17:21 PM EDT

Well...that true, if - (jb4) - May 3, 2005, 06:41:18 PM EDT

Developers. Testing. Same sentence. - (pwhysall) - (6) - April 30, 2005, 03:21:29 PM EDT

Actual conversation *had* at work - (drewk) - (4) - April 30, 2005, 03:28:25 PM EDT

Preach it, brother. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 30, 2005, 03:34:49 PM EDT

While I'm on the topic - (drewk) - (1) - April 30, 2005, 03:51:55 PM EDT

You worked for the Pentagon, right? _____________________;-j -NT - (Another Scott) - April 30, 2005, 03:57:23 PM EDT

I have to deal with that all the time >:-P - (imric) - May 1, 2005, 08:43:22 AM EDT

Heh. Ben didn't call me Pollyanna for nothing. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - April 30, 2005, 03:44:40 PM EDT

You are, indeed, mistaken - (ben_tilly) - (3) - April 30, 2005, 05:41:44 PM EDT

That's *one* of the people you want testing - (drewk) - (2) - April 30, 2005, 06:13:06 PM EDT

I'm reminded of an old story - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 30, 2005, 08:59:37 PM EDT

Bwahahahaaa - (jake123) - April 30, 2005, 09:01:37 PM EDT

I think it's just the opposite - (Arkadiy) - (2) - May 12, 2005, 07:27:53 AM EDT

That attitude may be WHY you can't do it very well - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 12, 2005, 12:19:13 PM EDT

Well, it's been 2 years since I worked with good QA people -NT - (Arkadiy) - May 14, 2005, 03:37:30 PM EDT

Sorry, dupe -NT - (Arkadiy) - May 12, 2005, 07:30:38 AM EDT

It seems to just roll off your tongue... - (folkert) - April 29, 2005, 11:04:02 PM EDT

Sounds like a nice challenge. Congrats! -NT - (Another Scott) - April 29, 2005, 11:09:23 PM EDT

On a deal like that - (tuberculosis) - April 30, 2005, 12:08:48 AM EDT

So where do we line up... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - April 30, 2005, 12:57:32 AM EDT

Can't happen - (drewk) - (2) - April 30, 2005, 07:44:42 AM EDT

Here's what I think you're expecting... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 30, 2005, 02:07:42 PM EDT

Heh, good point - (drewk) - April 30, 2005, 03:25:52 PM EDT

Confession is good for the soul. :) - (a6l6e6x) - April 30, 2005, 08:36:06 AM EDT

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