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New Look at Scott's post in the science forum
13 Things that dont make sense-
(someone has got to show me how to link posts)

Lots of phenomena in our world cant be explained, but when the phenomena falls under the heading "physics" or some other more accepted body of science, it's easier to believe and accept. File it under "paranormal" and the skeptics come crawling out of the woodwork. Why is that?
It's like, "How much more black could this be?", and the answer is none. None more black.
New The paranormal suffers from lack of explanation
Paranormal theories tend not to explain how something is happening. Similarly, the zodiac is disbelieved as there's no satifactory explanation of how stars that form a piss-poor resemblence to something else is meant to influence people far more than, say, passing traffic. If someone created such an explanation, it would be at odds with the rest of science. If it wasn't, it would be so complex and convoluted, Occam's Razor would cut it out.

If something can't be explained, such as the placebo effect, then it needs repeatable experiments as evidence. Again, the paranormal has trouble. Admittedly, physics is far better funded but someone needs to go around bending spoons in laboratories around the world.
Matthew Greet


But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie.
- Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
New Lack of explanation is a non-issue
Science has seriously investigated plenty of ideas that have lacked explanation. For instance when Newton's law of Gravity came out, there was much arguing over whether to accept the action at a distance which was implied. Similarly Einstein's explanation of the photoelectric effect was seriously considered even though nobody had an explanation for how continuous waves could be acting like particles.

A much bigger issue is lack of evidence. For instance there is no personality test that has been shown to have a positive correlation with your Sun sign. Plenty of people have tried to find one, but with a uniform lack of success. This is pretty strong evidence against astrological theories about how personality is supposed to correlate (albeit with many complications) with your Sun sign.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New OT: To do a Linky
Either:

1) Use the [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=57396|WeeCodes] (making sure you have the "Process WeeCodes" box checked (in the list of checkboxes on the New Comment page).

For example, typing:

[post://199328|Scott's post]

would show up as [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=199328|Scott's post] and be a clickable link to the 13 Things post in the Science forum.

You can get the post number by looking at the http address when you're reading the post you want to cite.

2) Use HTML to create the link yourself. You'd type the above link as:

[a href="http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=199328"]Scott's post[/a]

where you would replace the open and close square brackets, [ ], with open and close angle brackets < >, respectively. Replace the stuff in the quotes to (almost) any other URL you might want to use, and "Scott's post" with whatever text you want to use to describe the link.

The WeeCodes are quite handy. You probably want to experiment with them until you feel more comfortable.

Experiment with the Test forum and post a question if this isn't clear.

HTH.

[edit:] Tyop in Subject. Sheesh.

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott March 19, 2005, 11:46:39 AM EST
New Don't forget option 3
Just stick the URL in the post and it automatically turns into a link. Like [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=199328|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=199328].

(This assumes that you've checked "Auto Convert URLs to Links".)

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Anyone interested in the predictive power of dreams? - (SignorMonsanto) - (31)
         dreams can be predictive retrospectally - (boxley)
         Count me in as a believer - (bionerd) - (28)
             Think critically about it. - (pwhysall) - (18)
                 I knew someone would bring that up - (bionerd) - (1)
                     ** applause ** - (drewk)
                 Scientists go bump in the night . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                 You seem to be reality challenged - (ben_tilly) - (9)
                     Eh? - (pwhysall)
                     Ah.. a fav Windmill - (Ashton)
                     Bio*GEEK*? - (bionerd) - (6)
                         Re: Bio*GEEK*? - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                             ICLRPD^3 (new thread) - (Steve Lowe)
                         Gah, sorry. I use nerd/geek interchangeably - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                             Not to worry - (bionerd)
                             Couldn't speak for the east... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                                 And in the UK, neither have particularly +ve connotations. -NT - (pwhysall)
                 Look at Scott's post in the science forum - (bionerd) - (4)
                     The paranormal suffers from lack of explanation - (warmachine) - (1)
                         Lack of explanation is a non-issue - (ben_tilly)
                     OT: To do a Linky - (Another Scott) - (1)
                         Don't forget option 3 - (ben_tilly)
             You may be ignoring negatives - (warmachine) - (8)
                 Sure, any of those could be true - (bionerd) - (7)
                     I prefer 'what is likely and possible?' - (warmachine) - (1)
                         'how cause generates effect' - (Ashton)
                     Another possibility... - (Steven A S) - (4)
                         OT - your picture - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                             Re: OT - your picture - (Steven A S) - (1)
                                 OT - twiddle the gamma. - (static)
                         This is how memory always works - (ben_tilly)
         I guess I'm a believer - (Nightowl)

Swiftly thereafter, Choco Taco Delight.
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