Post #199,283
3/17/05 5:45:11 PM
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You seem to be reality challenged
Scientists are scientists because they are part of the scientific process, not because they meet your notion of scientific respectibility or because they agree with what you think should be the scientific orthodoxy. If science and scientists stuck only to the official orthodoxy of what educated people are supposed to believe, then we'd still think that the Sun goes around the Earth.
Biogeek is a biologist and believes in the possibility of things that you think are ridiculous. Danny similarly was a physicist and believes in things that you think are ludicrous. Plenty of scientists believe as you do. Plenty do not. (I'm with you in doubting the paranormal. When I was younger, though, I believed otherwise...)
In any case reality is that biogeek's beliefs do not match your impression of what scientists are like. Your impressions are wrong, please update them. If you fail to do so then you're showing your inability to handle actual facts. In which case your comments on science become a case of pot, kettle, black.
Cheers, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #199,341
3/18/05 1:33:10 AM
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Eh?
Since when does "I expect a scientist to think critically about something" end up equating to "I stab at thee for not following the scientific orthodoxy du jour"?
Look at warmachine's post for all the reasons why critical thinking should be applied.
And for goodness' sake, Ben, relax. (Unless, of course, you Khasim-ing me is you relaxing; in which case, never mind me :-) )
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Post #199,355
3/18/05 5:11:10 AM
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Ah.. a fav Windmill
Boot Lance: Testing... Self-check passed. Level aleph-[symbol for Golden Mean]
Combining your comments and Andy's succinct summary - agreement, as far as both go. I receive them as a Start, anyway. I know a couple prescience stories too, one with physical evidence.
I think also - Jung had more pithy observations than most of the well-read usually delve enough to uncover; 'tis folly to imagine that his relevance is merely re "picking a shrink". Ross's comments I most-always found to be eminently Reasonable - surely facilitated by his possession of a larger, more eclectic vocabulary than is found in many prof. scientists [so little time to read elsewhere?] .. And .. Anybody with as much talent as Ross -- can be as testy as he likes; regret that he determined we had become too predictable / uninteresting? judgmental or just stodgy (?)
Dreams are IMO the perfect litmus of our collective dearth of understanding about 'scale', levels of consciousness, inference .. and lots of other concepts we [1]bandy about. In brief, I've reached the conclusion that ~~ a scientist with no appreciation for, no exploration of the metaphysical is a handicapped scientist. Ditto re the metaphysically obsessed - sans any comprehension of math, the physical laws, how (mere..) *things* work. Both sole-practitioners are incomplete. (And Muricans' predilection for display-religiosity obfuscates to the extent that, the word 'metaphysics' is not even in most working vocabularies, I observe.)
Most of our thoughts/impressions are circumscribed by language, further by the size of our own recognition vocabulary -- and only metaphor can roughly communicate the Better ones, whatever the 'size'. So much noise, and so much of that taken-in voluntarily. (Some believe that the quality of 'impressions' we allow 'in' - matter.)
Combine these seemingly disparate angles-of-view, the scientific method and metaphysical work/discipline and {Gawd.. which metaphor} maybe that's where the occasional wisdom comes in on little pussy cat feet..?
Well, something like that. IS the arrow of time reversible? Probably a trivial Question, in the larger scheme..
(I also believe that there are almost certainly epiphanies, but there is no epiphany PGP-key insurance: pedestrian brain chem always can fool the gullible, suggestible into imagining what one wishes to find. Nor will there ever be an Epiphany-Proof, even with G\ufffddel escape clause.) Catch 23. Love. It.
moi
[1] Frequently I recall Feynman's more-than-cute quip, ~ ..people imagine that if something has a name - they 'understand' it. I have no doubt that RPF was not so much a magician (-grade 'genius') as, a genuine metaphysician. With Props! [note for you, Ben: Props as in street usage. Or Creds, if you like] :-\ufffd
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Post #199,384
3/18/05 10:25:58 AM
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Bio*GEEK*?
When did I become a geek?
Science hasnt conclusively been able to debunk paranormal activity, either. So until then, I'm keeping an open mind. It's fun to speculate and explore the topic, anyway.
It's like, "How much more black could this be?", and the answer is none. None more black.
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Post #199,394
3/18/05 11:30:15 AM
8/21/07 12:44:19 PM
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Re: Bio*GEEK*?
"When did I become a geek?"
Gradually, over time. It rubs off you know.
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #199,401
3/18/05 11:45:30 AM
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ICLRPD^3 (new thread)
Created as new thread #199400 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=199400|ICLRPD^3]
-- Steve
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Post #199,429
3/18/05 3:52:44 PM
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Gah, sorry. I use nerd/geek interchangeably
To me they mean pretty much the same thing except that one term is offensive on the West Coast and the other is on the East Coast. I think it is nerd that is offensive on the West and geek in the East, but I could have that backwards.
Sorry, Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #199,441
3/18/05 4:53:53 PM
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Not to worry
A nerd by any other name is still a nerd :-)
It's like, "How much more black could this be?", and the answer is none. None more black.
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Post #199,826
3/21/05 5:00:10 PM
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Couldn't speak for the east...
...but 'nerd' is pretty offensive over here AFAIK. I broadly advertise myself as being the company Alpha-geek, but that doesn't mean anything as far as social acceptability goes.
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov
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Post #199,828
3/21/05 5:02:08 PM
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And in the UK, neither have particularly +ve connotations.
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