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New The problems with impact wrenches are ...
1) They need a lot of air.
2) The torque they supply isn't continuous.

Both bit me in my adventure discussed above. I bought one of [link|http://www2.northerntool.com/product-1/370269.htm|these] at Lowes. "625 ft.-lbs. max torque in reverse." Should have been more than enough to take off the bolt, but even with multiple tanks at 130 psi, with 5/8" pneumatic hose in between, I couldn't get it to budge. It claims it needs 5.4 cfm (at 90 psi IIRC, 21 CFM under load). Note that it says that it handles bolts up to 5/8" - I don't know if that's head size or bolt diameter. (The actual head size on my balancer bolt was 1 1/8".)

In my attempts, I would get ~ 2 s of full-power impacting before the air pressure had dropped too much. I tried about 5 cycles of refilling the tanks and hoses and trying the impact before giving up.

Even if I had enough air, it still might not have been able to do the job because the 625 ft-lbs of torque is only for a tiny instant in time each impact. Continuous torque from a wrench (and a long handle), or from the flywheel is probably the most reliable way to do it. That's what worked in my case anyway.

[edit:] An illustration of how torque from an impact is different from torque from a wrench: You can easily hold a socket on a 625 ft-lb impact and keep it from turning, while you'd have a pretty hard time holding a socket attached to a torque wrench with 20% of that torque applied.[/edit]

[link|http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=371242&R=371242|This] would probably have been able to do it (says it can handle 1 3/8" bolts), but at 12 CFM average (64 CFM under load!) it would have taken a 450 pound [link|http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=767&R=767|compressor the size of the car] just to keep up. Almost.

Oh, I also tried an electric impact wrench. I broke it within about 5 s. It sounded like a pin sheared inside it. Luckily, Home Depot took it back.

It was a big bolt. The threads were perfect in my case - no K5 at all. ;-) It was just very very tight.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who enjoys working on cars when he can get something accomplished in a reasonable amount of time and hates it when he can't.)
Collapse Edited by Another Scott March 2, 2005, 09:41:37 AM EST
The problems with impact wrenches are ...
1) They need a lot of air.
2) The torque they supply isn't continuous.

Both bit me in my adventure discussed above. I bought one of [link|http://www2.northerntool.com/product-1/370269.htm|these] at Lowes. "625 ft.-lbs. max torque in reverse." Should have been more than enough to take off the bolt, but even with multiple tanks at 130 psi, with 5/8" pneumatic hose in between, I couldn't get it to budge. It claims it needs 5.4 cfm (at 90 psi IIRC, 21 CFM under load). Note that it says that it handles bolts up to 5/8" - I don't know if that's head size or bolt diameter. (The actual head size on my balancer bolt was 1 1/8".)

In my attempts, I would get ~ 2 s of full-power impacting before the air pressure had dropped too much. I tried about 5 cycles of refilling the tanks and hoses and trying the impact before giving up.

Even if I had enough air, it still might not have been able to do the job because the 625 ft-lbs of torque is only for a tiny instant in time each impact. Continuous torque from a wrench (and a long handle), or from the flywheel is probably the most reliable way to do it. That's what worked in my case anyway.

[link|http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=371242&R=371242|This] would probably have been able to do it (says it can handle 1 3/8" bolts), but at 12 CFM average (64 CFM under load!) it would have taken a 450 pound [link|http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=767&R=767|compressor the size of the car] just to keep up. Almost.

Oh, I also tried an electric impact wrench. I broke it within about 5 s. It sounded like a pin sheared inside it. Luckily, Home Depot took it back.

It was a big bolt. The threads were perfect in my case - no K5 at all. ;-) It was just very very tight.

Cheers,
Scott.
(Who enjoys working on cars when he can get something accomplished in a reasonable amount of time and hates it when he can't.)
New Hah.. think you've explained why
Some of the [car X] clan had no problemo using an electric? air? 'impact wrench' -- and others did. Ditto the long, slow grunt way.

I'm about concluding that the supposed torque-on figures + whatever results from the range of thread tolerances, storage in wet garages etc. -- might mean a release torque maybe even 2x, 3x? the supposed value. Clearly (as to car X) -- the experience varied greatly among different operators.

And all the 'data' is clouded by the amount of energy which goes into bending (heating?) those lengthy poles, contrived by the desperate at 2 am.

Methinks I see a Q. on a grad ME exam: Calculate the energy! aka Impulse x Time to break the putative bond, then relate that to the mSecs of service via air or electrics. Some strange stuff is happening at that interface. (Remember when folks believed you could never accelerate (car with tires) beyond 1-G, because F=\ufffdN ??)
Dragsters have since demonstrated that 'gearing' effects wipe that simplistic idea of friction, too.

I can envision a long bar for torque, with a flattened 'anvil' area near the hub; the first foot or so being massive/stiff. One body pulls (or hangs) while another turns a maul loose on the anvil. As to your Jumbo $1700 gadget. Pshaw. Before that: chill/heat (as Box reminds) strike and soak.



I'm glad I won't have to find out anytime soon.
But it could still be fun to drive some ME students to distraction :-\ufffd
     Power belt came off on Windstar - (admin) - (35)
         there should be a diagram in front of the radiator - (boxley) - (1)
             Yes, there's a diagram. - (admin)
         More important, water pump isn't turning either - (Steve Lowe)
         Apparently it's easy with the right tool. - (Another Scott) - (27)
             Thanks. - (admin) - (1)
                 Having replaced two... - (jbrabeck)
             Yeah, right. - (admin) - (24)
                 Simple. All you have to do is.... - (ChrisR) - (19)
                     Remember my dad's 38 Chevy - (drewk) - (18)
                         My old '87 Buick LeSabre 3.8 had a bolt like that. - (Another Scott) - (17)
                             Smart people learn from experience - (drewk) - (16)
                                 Then my job here is done. - (Another Scott) - (15)
                                     My unsolvable problems tend to pick me -NT - (drewk)
                                     Your in the range of close... - (folkert) - (13)
                                         OT: how does one go about removing the remains - (Arkadiy) - (12)
                                             With tools, of course. - (Steve Lowe) - (2)
                                                 Tools are overrated... - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                                     Ironically (?) - (Steve Lowe)
                                             Typically it isn't that bad. - (folkert) - (3)
                                                 But, "easy-out" - is that *really* what it's called? - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                                     That is the: - (folkert) - (1)
                                                         Rofl! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                             Worst case - you replace the crankshaft. - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                 Second the penetrating oil.. Impact wrench? - (Ashton) - (2)
                                                     The problems with impact wrenches are ... - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                         Hah.. think you've explained why - (Ashton)
                                                 in these discussions I havnt seen mention of a smoke wrench - (boxley)
                 It is a Windstar. It has the traditional Ford Reservoir - (folkert) - (3)
                     Re: It is a Windstar. It has the traditional Ford Reservoir - (inthane-chan)
                     There was no blood... - (admin) - (1)
                         Aptitude or Eptitude? :-) -NT - (static)
         Paid the man. - (admin) - (3)
             That's what went on my Saturn - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                 I asked him about that. - (admin)
             Smart move. Glad it worked out. -NT - (Another Scott)

NOO..OOO - not WD-40!
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