Post #189,681
1/10/05 9:46:46 PM
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Bull.
You talking apocalypse? Because there's 1000 years of peace afterwards. Any fundamentalist will tell you THAT. Gee - It seems "the world must be destroyed" isn't a fundamentalist stricture after all. Hell, if you buy 'rapture' only the fundamentalists are taken away. Surely that's what you WANT. Gee - your knowledge of fundamentalism seems to be based on prejudice. Surprise, surprise. "Anyone whose philosophical belief system leads them to conclude that the world must be destroyed to be saved is not suited for high public office" Gee - and fundamentalists are the ones that hold this belief? Funny - it seems that even though fundamentalists DON'T believe that, many, many politicians did. Remember M.A.D.? A strategy held by all superpowers for a long time? But I guess they were all fundamentalists too. Or mostly. Maybe some? Surely that supports your prejudice. "And like it or not, the above mentioned conclusion is central to fundamentalist Christianity." Like it or not, you are FULL OF IT. I've never heard ANYONE preach bringing about the battle of Armageddon. Ever. Only to be prepared for it. Tell you what - find me a percentage of fundamentalist Christians that WANT to initiate even the battle of Armageddon - how many want the Antichrist to take over? Why aren't they calling for, say the branding of all atheists and satanists with the mark of the beast (or any other strategy) in an attempt to 'force God's hand'? Don't just blab that 'they all want that' or any other bigoted statement. Find me a number. I assert that percentage is comparable with the percentage of people that believe in genocide in combination of breeding 'supermen' as a way to improve the human race. Or the number of people that believe that all 'African Americans' should be shipped off to Africa. Or any other evil philosophy. In other words, evil is independent of religion. Of course, your prejudice, your bigotry, leads you to 'classify' Christians as a group as 'dangerous'. Like Hitler did with the Jews. You are all about removing choice of leadership, though. The people have no right to choose - only you and those like minded have that right. Sorry, I consider that POV to be sick. [link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,683
1/10/05 9:50:40 PM
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Just watch ONE Jack Van Emp television show. Just one.
And funny you bring the "ship 'em back to Africa" thing. Recall that the South during the Civil War quoted Jesus as a justfication for slavery.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,689
1/10/05 10:00:05 PM
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Give details. Quote fact.
My statements stand. I have NEVER heard a preacher preach that thier flock do evil in order to bring about Armageddon.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,692
1/10/05 10:18:35 PM
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It's Impe, btw. Sorry.
He's syndicated, everywhere, natch. Are you telling me that fundie Christians aren't really looking forward to this? "The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the arch-angel, and with the trump of God...Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-7). or this? Clearly, this exercise builds one's confidence that we are living in the very end of the age. When you have this amount of potential Biblical prophecy fulfillment, simultaneously occurring at the same time as many other Biblical prophecies, such as the restoration of Israel, you must seriously conclude that Jesus Christ is most probably at the door. [link|http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1013.html|http://www.cuttingedge.org/ce1013.html] That was an "I feel lucky" google hit. Clearly, if these fundies aren't actively trying to bring about the "End of Times", they sure as hell are looking forward to it. And do you really want the leaders of nation-states with enough nuclear power to bring about the "End of Times" actually looking forward to it? bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,699
1/10/05 10:45:35 PM
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Bah. Looking forward is NOT 'to bring it about'
I look forward to my birthday. Should I try and make the Earth spin faster?
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,768
1/11/05 12:54:04 PM
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See my first 2 paragraphs of my reply to Ben. (link)
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189767|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=189767]
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,773
1/11/05 1:25:56 PM
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Rationalize all you want.
Inimical to democracy and freedom as you (and your anti-Christian agenda) are, I won't recommend that you are not allowed to run for office, or that you be relegated to 2nd class citizen. I am sure that you would be defeated by an OVERWHELMING majority.
What's that LRPD? Oh yeah: "you are so wrong philosophers weep at the sound of your voice".
Ciao.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,686
1/10/05 9:56:06 PM
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uh, sorry to burst your bubble
I have sat in on pentacostal preachers detailing end days morality that was hard core enough to jerk off to, couldnt wait for armageddon to start so they could get to the killing of the damned. I know this is anecdotal so just compare the sales of the "after the rapture" series of books here in america to the jihadi kill all the jews and american cd's overseas and you will probably find a tie.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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Post #189,691
1/10/05 10:08:01 PM
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Never heard one.
What percentage of Christans believe such bullshit, do you think?
Even fundamentalist? I know a few - was engaged to one for a time - and I simply do not buy that even a large minority want to 'force God's hand'.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,693
1/10/05 10:20:05 PM
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Enough to elect Dubya. And that is too damned many.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,700
1/10/05 10:47:25 PM
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So he was elected to 'destroy the world'? Pfah.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,732
1/11/05 9:04:23 AM
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If he was, he's succeeding.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,697
1/10/05 10:38:01 PM
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demographics
not a matter of forcing g_od's hand but hard belief that we are "here" and adherence to doctrine. Every generation believes this the end times since joshua ben david was a large example of his generation. The believers think the technology of each generation is enough to set it off. Although we have the ability to wipe mankind out of the earth many times over I beleive cockroaches rats and humans will surivive in enough pockets and evolve "with intelligent design" to go to the next level whatever that is. If you believe in evolution we went from tree swingers to upright walkers with no tools except what we could make. I think like evolutionists we are built to survive, and maybe mod 2 to mod 3,264(like ash believes " will survive and persevere. [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostal|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostal] The size of Pentecostalism in the U.S. is estimated to be more than 20 million and also including approx 918,000 (4%) of the Hispanic-American population, counting all unaffiliated congregations, although exact numbers are hard to come by, in part because some tenets of Pentecostalism are held by members of non-Pentecostal denominations in what has been called the charismatic movement.
remember John Ashcroft is from this schism that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,701
1/10/05 10:50:05 PM
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OK - that's 1 number.
4% of Hispanics believe these are the 'end times'. How many of THOSE want to bring them about?
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,097
1/13/05 4:18:59 PM
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Here's another number.
[link|http://www.rickross.com/reference/millennium/millennium86.html|Apocalypse now] According to a Time/CNN poll conducted in July 2002, 17 per cent of Americans believe 'that the end of the world will happen in their lifetime' and 59 per cent that 'the prophecies of the Book of Revelation will come true.' If you drive into the American heartland and twiddle the dial, those figures will begin to make sense. The preachers, who share local radio time with country-music strummers, all thump out the message: Be Rapture Ready and, if you are left behind, be sure to be on God's side in the great battle to come. [link|http://www.rickross.com/groups/millennium.html|Some reading material]. [link|http://www.raptureready.com/|Are you ready]? [link|http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html|Check the Rapture Index]. Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #190,100
1/13/05 4:52:44 PM
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And how many are urged to bring about the conditions
of Armageddon? (an event that is not 'the end', something any fundie could tell you)
How many believe they should do evil and knowingly put thae antichrist in charge to bring it about?
How many?
How does this contrast with the numbers that have believed that at every millenium, indee, every time, throughout history? How many, historically, have tried to bring about the conditions of prophesy themselves?
I guess that geologists and vulcanologists cause earthquakes and volcanoes, too.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #190,107
1/13/05 5:33:44 PM
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At least this one:
[link|http://baltimorechronicle.com/011305PaulLevy.shtml|George Bush].
Alex
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
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Post #190,129
1/13/05 9:31:34 PM
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Oh dear...will lithium help?
j.f.c.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #190,142
1/14/05 4:05:23 AM
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(Seems to be only enough for the Red States, currently)
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Post #190,141
1/14/05 4:04:01 AM
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I predicted something once. After I saw Bigfoot.
Oh ye of little faith..
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Post #190,148
1/14/05 8:24:44 AM
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Is it Evil to allow destruction when you can prevent it?
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #190,527
1/17/05 10:34:39 PM
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if its time to push the button it gets pushed, or not
fuck all we can do about it so why worry? If there is an world blaster I hope I will be at ground zero to avoid the turmoil of trying to survive.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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