Post #189,535
1/9/05 9:51:21 PM
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Beg to differ.
People who know they know have always troubled me.
Moreover, I find little, if anything, appealing in anyone who believes he/she is better than me or anyone else on the planet because of "their special relationship with Jesus Christ." The whole notion is ludicrous - embrace some medieval superstition and instantly you are more holy, more deserving than anyone else on the planet. Bah.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,540
1/9/05 10:18:20 PM
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The problem is your bigotry.
And your apparently firm belief that being Christian is to believe "you are more holy, more deserving than anyone else on the planet" despite the FACT that Christianity says something entirely different. In your prejudice, you classify all Christians in the most negative terms you can - and you shout it out at every opportunity.
Self righteous hypocrites are everywhere.
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,553
1/10/05 3:58:40 AM
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Pretty loose slathering of 'bigotry',
unless it is bigotry to identify as an authentic enemy any person who Would (and especially, possesses the power to Do) impose tenets peculiar to his religious dogma - on all members of a secular State (say, one with its own Constitutional rules which do not allow this infliction upon any plurality nor any minority?)
Yes, I've no doubt there are many nice guys who Believe infinitely many 'things', and I care not at all what their own fav Beliefs are / just as they care not what Mine are (except when they Do care to ignore the Differences - in matters which affect my secular life here).
Then there is the person who parades his beliefs; sleeve or microphone. There are even such persons as will parade these with pom-pom and shako, as a choreographed part of a campaign for Office - in such a secular State.
Some may even claim that, God wanted me to become President {just shy, but not very-shy of claiming, She. Told. Me. So.}
And when such a person is elected, in such a secular State; when there is compelling evidence that many have chosen his leadership *because* of his professed beliefs and *despite* a litany of evidence of previous incompetent, fraudulent or insouciant behaviour in secular affairs in that secular Office:
I'd find it a wry twist to define opposition to this person/regime - via all legal means possible - to signify bigotry! One need not despise the tenet-holder to despise the tenet and its psycho-social consequences for all living creatures. To coin a phrase.
In fact, for those who deem that such grandiose hubris is a clear sign of mental aberration / a sign also of a willingness to place trivial value upon daily "activities and their consequences" of mere planetary kind, a planet of which that State is a small portion: opposition is easily weighed on the scale, a matter of life/death for millions, and not just concerning the survival of that evanescent 'State'.
Color me bigot then, so long as I may still refer to the deluded as, deluded .. and describe these as IMO ~ "unimaginably Dangerous to all life forms".
(Then we can introduce the anti-bigot, whose protons are [-] charged. Now we have not the usual boring duality, but a ... triangle to wrestle with.)
While The New Rome burns, during the counting of angels on pinheads, by the devoutly Believing Ones.
Terra, Cause of Demise: Religious Certainty + nukes
- seen on a napkin on a table in the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, I. Believe.
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Post #189,555
1/10/05 6:54:10 AM
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I call Strawman
Imric says:
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your apparently firm belief that being Christian is to believe "you are more holy, more deserving than anyone else on the planet" despite the FACT that Christianity says something entirely different. In your prejudice, you classify all Christians in the most negative terms you can - and you shout it out at every opportunity.
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Ashton says:
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Then there is the person who parades his beliefs; sleeve or microphone. There are even such persons as will parade these with pom-pom and shako, as a choreographed part of a campaign for Office - in such a secular State.
Some may even claim that, God wanted me to become President {just shy, but not very-shy of claiming, She. Told. Me. So.}
And when such a person is elected, in such a secular State; when there is compelling evidence that many have chosen his leadership *because* of his professed beliefs and *despite* a litany of evidence of previous incompetent, fraudulent or insouciant behaviour in secular affairs in that secular Office:
I'd find it a wry twist to define opposition to this person/regime - via all legal means possible - to signify bigotry! One need not despise the tenet-holder to despise the tenet and its psycho-social consequences for all living creatures.
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Where is the connection between your "person" and the people Imric is talking about? You take the worst (well, hardly worst... There really have been worse) example of somebody calling himself a "Christian", and pronounce a judjement on the whole religion. If that is not bigotry, what is?
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Post #189,557
1/10/05 8:38:02 AM
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bigotry: n
big\ufffdot\ufffdry
n.
the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot
big\ufffdot
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Not loose at all.
Stop the language murder, Ash.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #189,562
1/10/05 9:32:35 AM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #189561 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=189561|ICLRPD]
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #189,636
1/10/05 5:32:22 PM
1/10/05 5:43:42 PM
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Oh Pshaw -
So facile to label the heathens/opposition, bigots.
(That ploy had worked often, before/during the countless Wars of Organized Corporate Religions.)
Individuals are always Individuals.. right up to the joining of a mob. Lighten up.. what matters the loss a small green-blue planet In The Larger Scheme of Things? Hey.. I buy that the daily illusion IS a daily illusion. Too.
(But at least I Know I can't 'Prove' that! to a garden variety demagogue-Certainty, that now most popular form of all meeja nondiscourse ;-)
Matters not which Corporate label a one affixes, except that in the US 'Christianity' is BIG, and I live here. But there's no important difference amongst 'fundamentalists' worldwide, in simultaneously Believing at the least -
A) I Possess (am possessed by) The. Truth.
B) Those others: Don't. (And various nasty things shall happen to Those - for not Knowing What I Know\ufffd)
C) cha. cha. cha.
('Fundamentalist'? - a one who cannot discern allegory from myth, metaphor from historicity.. and has no intention of exploring those or any other ideas, preferring canned-Authority over all other sources of human mentation. If we need a definition, too.)
Today these are no longer just individuals worshipping any old cockamamie thing - these are a Political Movement, with the *stated* aim of remanufacturing America into a/*their* theological model of 'Reality'. It's no longer just their Murican Dream\ufffd - it's got *$Funding* (plus those nukes - never forget The Nukes).
The Constitution is in tatters, the USSC is about to receive an infusion of ideologues only dreamt of by the likes of My Gramma. Seems that the next few generations are in palpable jeopardy, as the level of abortion of the Constitution is being worked out. And a few other activities are going apace, some may have noticed. As the wealth=Power steadily moves towards highest concentration ever.
All bets are off in the face of this frontal and lateral attack upon the Secular State. Screw that merely grating perpetual sanctimoniousness and the wordgame bullshit about, "loving the sinner / hating the sin" -- as many of the claimed-religieuse tacitly applauded the death of that young queer tied to the fence, et al. That was just normal human hypocrisy, and expected.
Now it is about a forming coalition which employ religio- rationales to achieve the death of a Republic (or at least sorta-Republic.. already well into a Corporatocracy).
As to any common denominator across n+1 sects -??-
Anthem heard, too bloody- often:
Onward, Christian *soldiers* -- marching as to *war*
---> with the Cross of Jesus
-----> Going on Before
<snip>
Like a Mighty *Army*.. ETC.
QED enough? Yup, it's Political AND it's now YAN fucking War. Even.. a War *about* the constant Warring, one might say. Let's seek Root causes, while seeking.
I aver that the religio-fundamentalist mindset is the common cause of most every 'war' since the first priesthood established itself to sell salvation to folks, from things that go bump in the night. (Before that, it was about the usual litany of wants+power to Get them from someone not-Me.)
Hmmm - maybe.. the Good Christians will first kill-off the Righteous-Christians :-0 cha. cha. cha. and a New Fork.
In the ear of the highly suggestible ... anything's Possible.
I Who Be
or if you prefer,
I, Heathen
Edit - dupe
Love the tenet-deluded; despise the deluded-tenet.
Aphorisms r'US
Edited by Ashton
Jan. 10, 2005, 05:43:42 PM EST
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Post #189,640
1/10/05 6:03:47 PM
1/10/05 6:04:04 PM
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A+B+C=mmoffit, ash. Like it or not.
Ther is no QED in your statements. You demonstraded nothing but your willingness to demonize an entire group of people because of the hypocritical actions of a few. Oh. I get it. THAT'S what you wanted to demonstrate.
Cha.
Cha.
Cha.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
Jan. 10, 2005, 06:04:04 PM EST
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Post #189,644
1/10/05 6:21:19 PM
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Re: A+B+C=mmoffit, ash. Like it or not.
You demonstraded nothing but your willingness to demonize an entire group of people because of the hypocritical actions of a few. Don't forget that he demonstrated a healthy dose of fear-mongering as well. "You think its bad NOW...just WAIT till the Pope gets appointed Supreme Justice." Let's waltz instead. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #189,657
1/10/05 7:40:52 PM
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Pope's OK - unlikely ever to drop a nuke. The others ???
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Post #189,660
1/10/05 8:09:48 PM
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Pope is very happy that you aprove of him.
--
- I was involuntarily self-promoted into management.
[link|http://kerneltrap.org/node/4484|Richard Stallman]
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Post #189,664
1/10/05 8:55:01 PM
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Remember the bumper sticker?
"Nuke a gay whale for Christ"? I think its due for a comeback.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,666
1/10/05 9:04:36 PM
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nuke all the unborn gay whales, revisionist stickerman you
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,668
1/10/05 9:07:06 PM
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I got yer sticker raght cheer.
[link|http://www.northernsun.com/cgi-bin/ns/0114.html|http://www.northerns...-bin/ns/0114.html]
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,842
1/11/05 6:24:52 PM
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great I ordered 2, what kind of car you got again? :-)
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,852
1/11/05 7:03:31 PM
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On a car in Indiana, those will get you shot!
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,541
1/9/05 10:31:35 PM
1/9/05 11:03:12 PM
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See 62232 and 65768.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=62332|62332] and [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=65768|65768] (though in [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=69006|69006] you say Carter's campaign was your second job. ;-)
Jimmy was born again - remember?
Being born again doesn't necessarily destroy one's humility. There are arrogant jerks of every stripe.
[edit: tyop]
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #189,544
1/9/05 10:58:43 PM
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Example
In my office, we have programmers of varying skillsets and abilities.
The absolute best of the bunch is a born again (does that need caps?).
He is also one of the nicest people I've ever met.
But there is a very interesting spark, a subtle texture of his personality.
I always thought it was a good thing he was born again, because if not he'd be dangerous.
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Post #189,545
1/9/05 11:00:15 PM
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:-)
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Post #189,573
1/10/05 11:12:04 AM
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There was a difference in 1975.
I don't really give a tinker's damn what anyone believes. In 1975, the Pat Robertsons, Jerry Falwells, Jimmy & Tammy Fayes, Ralph Reeds, Jimmy Swaggarts, etc. ad nauseum all had their (as commonly defined at the time) "kookie followings" but none had any real political power. Which was as it should be (and still should be, forever and ever, amen).
But now, of course, we've seen the loonies creep into every crevice of our governance. Pat Robertson actually ran for president - and worse got (iirc) over one million votes! How you feel about some one who "speaks in tongues" having his finger on the button?
At a personal level, I don't care if you believe the earth is flat, the Universe circles the earth or that there's a nice old man keeping an eye on you from the heavens. Believe that all you want. Just DO NOT be placed in a position of power. Because if you believe all that lunacy about "revelations", you might just want it to get here quicker and, ironically, if such a person is in power I might want to end life on the planet quickly as well because I cannot imagine the horror of living in a Born Again Christian Theocracy.
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #189,642
1/10/05 6:19:09 PM
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I am not a born again
would you feel safer if I had the button? Trust me, if there is a g_d and its time for the nukes Mr Tilly would press the button, thats how it works. If there is a g_d and its not time for nukes Mr. Tilly will not press the button. Thats how it works.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #189,646
1/10/05 6:23:08 PM
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Re: I am not a born again
would you feel safer if I had the button? Let's stick to old man-fu for now and not trust you with the football. Ben maybe. You...bzzzt. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #189,901
1/12/05 5:09:19 AM
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Unclear on the baggage mix.
'Born Again' has a somewhat loose connotation re the tenets embraced / their degree of huggedness? Obviously Mr. Carter, after long observation has *never* shown any tendencies towards ~
Oh What the Fuck - it's all gonna go up in Holy Smoke pretty soon.. why not just start shooting up those vexatious Brown People who genuflect in that funny way? Maybe I can get a Second term and install My Son, next...
I'm not sure how one would devise a litmus for say, "degree of fascination? immersion..? obsession..!?" with the sci-fi part of the pair of Testaments. Not that -realistically- one would ever be likely to attach any power-of-consequence to the reading of the color of such a test strip. Not in a '#1-type Christian Country\ufffd', anyway.
(I suppose that a subscription to the current series of rilly Popular novels on Rapturin' out, a fascination with tales of being bodily [Are these guys Unclear on their Own Concept?] extirpated from your steerage seat on Refurbished Airlines and Macram\ufffd LLC? -- could be a winner, in the turgid profession of trying to define fungible %looniness.)
But it would be hilarious to see the final form, the actual legalese surmounting/ submerging the religio- and psych- speak phraseology of The Bill: before the Chief Justice of the United States, The Honorable Clarence Thomas and his new Associate Justices, Jerry Foulwell and Matt Drudge.
Yours for better plots in the Daily Illusion **** Final Edition, with race results at all major tracks.
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