the question is for Jay :-)

Post #188,011 by daemon 12/23/04 6:23:05 PM Reply	the question is for Jay :-) that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,080 by Simon_Jester 12/24/04 8:37:34 AM Reply	But Jay's holding the President's feet to the fire... and, traditionally speaking, that's how it's always been done. Traditionally, Congress is never held responsible. Probably because Congress isn't the Commander-in-Chief.
Post #188,091 by JayMehaffey 12/24/04 11:37:06 AM Reply	Congress is the lesser party here Congress is guilty of the disaster in Iraq, but only as a secondary party. Their responsibly lies is their abdicating of their responsiblity, by giving the President nearly unconditional authority to use the military. But it wasn't Congress that actually ordered the military into Iraq. I don't buy the copout that some in Congress are trying to use, when they say they gave Bush the authority to go to invade only so he would have a strong threat. I will give them a little sympathy when they say they where decieved by bad intelligence, but even there Congress should have known better. Jay
Post #188,092 by daemon 12/24/04 11:38:43 AM Reply	just because you have a useless congress is no excuse for changing the constitution. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,134 by Simon_Jester 12/25/04 8:41:15 AM Reply	or ignoring the failures of a useless President.
Post #188,137 by daemon 12/25/04 10:18:31 AM Reply	correct the constitution will withstand both that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,391 by GBert 12/28/04 11:53:11 AM 1/3/05 1:12:26 PM Reply	I do buy it I do buy the "copout" that they gave the authority so as not to undermine the President's hand in forcing Saddam to allow real inspections, since this is what they said at the time. This is also what I believed was going on since it was the only thing that made any sense of the administration's course of action. In retrospect, we was had. And I still can't find a sensible explanation. My only hope now is that we can see our way to outsourcing our military presence in Iraq to Chinese mercenaries. Maybe Walmart can negotiate with Chinese captains of industry to get one able bodied volunteer along with every container of goods... [on edit -- oh me of little faith -- there is more bitterness in Truth and Fact, Giovannio, than is vented of in your sarcacity. [link\|http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/1541224\|Amy Goodman interviews Geoff Thale], senior associate for Central America and Cuba at the Washington Office on Latin America, about ongoing paramilitary recruiting campaigns by the big Iraq contractors in Latin America. -- end edit] Giovanni Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that. Edited by GBert Jan. 3, 2005, 01:12:26 PM EST Expand All History
Post #188,412 by Ashton 12/28/04 3:32:27 PM Reply	As to that 'vote of confidence' Does anyone else wonder if a single Congresscritter ever bothered to type in [link\|http://www.newamericancentury.org/\|http://www.newamericancentury.org/] before signing that Blank Check? You'd think that just a few names there, would be recognized.. along with the script they were about to activate. Maybe not.
Post #189,198 by Ashton 1/6/05 3:42:59 AM Reply	By Jove - you called it! While our smartly coiffed (near-bald) and lint-free clad Recruiters target the desperate.. who today, must weigh the dangled chance for an eventual ed-ja-Kay-shun- - -IF- - -they-Survive: > Outsourcing Has Begun < (Suppose they get ed-ja-Kay-shun perks, too - as busboys, perhaps?) One does love an Admin which is so consistent, has planned better for the Permanent War than for - that initial couple of test invasions.

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