Wrong counterbalance

Post #187,727 by JayMehaffey 12/21/04 8:38:05 PM Reply	Wrong counterbalance Congress's control of the budget does act as a counter for the President's ability to go to war by fiat now. But that is the wrong counterbalance. Congress can do that only because they do to much over detailing of the budget anyway, and it's a reactive, not proactive block. Rather then asking for permission in the first place, the President is instead asking for forgiveness in the budget afterwards. That is a bit too late when talking about a war. Jay
Post #187,736 by daemon 12/21/04 9:25:51 PM Reply	EXCUSE ME! the farkin president asked for congressional permission and got it before invading Iraq, the pussies gave it to him and he used it. Even Kerry voted to let him invade if he wanted to. Dont place all the blame on the president he had lots of help getting in there. Now its fucked up and everyone is placing the blame on him and his minions alone. Count who voted to let him invade, then count who voted against then report back. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #187,871 by a6l6e6x 12/22/04 4:54:02 PM Reply	To do otherwise would have been unpatriotic. "You are either with us or you are against us!" Of course, our congresscritters are supposed to have some balls. Alex The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #187,881 by inthane-chan 12/22/04 5:33:34 PM Reply	They've got fewer balls than a lesbian convention.
Post #187,938 by Simon_Jester 12/23/04 10:54:10 AM Reply	So, you're saying either a) The President was wrong, but he had lots of help, so it doesn't matter that he's the commander-in-chief.... the buck stops with Congress. b) That the people in Congress who vote against the war were the really smart ones. (Shouldn't their names be praised for their insight? Can you name them?)
Post #187,959 by jb4 12/23/04 1:13:35 PM Reply	Shouldn't be too hard to name them... ...there weren't that many of them who had a clue... jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #188,011 by daemon 12/23/04 6:23:05 PM Reply	the question is for Jay :-) that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,080 by Simon_Jester 12/24/04 8:37:34 AM Reply	But Jay's holding the President's feet to the fire... and, traditionally speaking, that's how it's always been done. Traditionally, Congress is never held responsible. Probably because Congress isn't the Commander-in-Chief.
Post #188,091 by JayMehaffey 12/24/04 11:37:06 AM Reply	Congress is the lesser party here Congress is guilty of the disaster in Iraq, but only as a secondary party. Their responsibly lies is their abdicating of their responsiblity, by giving the President nearly unconditional authority to use the military. But it wasn't Congress that actually ordered the military into Iraq. I don't buy the copout that some in Congress are trying to use, when they say they gave Bush the authority to go to invade only so he would have a strong threat. I will give them a little sympathy when they say they where decieved by bad intelligence, but even there Congress should have known better. Jay
Post #188,092 by daemon 12/24/04 11:38:43 AM Reply	just because you have a useless congress is no excuse for changing the constitution. regards, daemon that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,134 by Simon_Jester 12/25/04 8:41:15 AM Reply	or ignoring the failures of a useless President.
Post #188,137 by daemon 12/25/04 10:18:31 AM Reply	correct the constitution will withstand both that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE clearwater highschool marching band [link\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/\|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
Post #188,391 by GBert 12/28/04 11:53:11 AM 1/3/05 1:12:26 PM Reply	I do buy it I do buy the "copout" that they gave the authority so as not to undermine the President's hand in forcing Saddam to allow real inspections, since this is what they said at the time. This is also what I believed was going on since it was the only thing that made any sense of the administration's course of action. In retrospect, we was had. And I still can't find a sensible explanation. My only hope now is that we can see our way to outsourcing our military presence in Iraq to Chinese mercenaries. Maybe Walmart can negotiate with Chinese captains of industry to get one able bodied volunteer along with every container of goods... [on edit -- oh me of little faith -- there is more bitterness in Truth and Fact, Giovannio, than is vented of in your sarcacity. [link\|http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/23/1541224\|Amy Goodman interviews Geoff Thale], senior associate for Central America and Cuba at the Washington Office on Latin America, about ongoing paramilitary recruiting campaigns by the big Iraq contractors in Latin America. -- end edit] Giovanni Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for. You don't need George Bush for that. Edited by GBert Jan. 3, 2005, 01:12:26 PM EST Expand All History
Post #188,412 by Ashton 12/28/04 3:32:27 PM Reply	As to that 'vote of confidence' Does anyone else wonder if a single Congresscritter ever bothered to type in [link\|http://www.newamericancentury.org/\|http://www.newamericancentury.org/] before signing that Blank Check? You'd think that just a few names there, would be recognized.. along with the script they were about to activate. Maybe not.
Post #189,198 by Ashton 1/6/05 3:42:59 AM Reply	By Jove - you called it! While our smartly coiffed (near-bald) and lint-free clad Recruiters target the desperate.. who today, must weigh the dangled chance for an eventual ed-ja-Kay-shun- - -IF- - -they-Survive: > Outsourcing Has Begun < (Suppose they get ed-ja-Kay-shun perks, too - as busboys, perhaps?) One does love an Admin which is so consistent, has planned better for the Permanent War than for - that initial couple of test invasions.

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