Post #185,766
12/1/04 7:13:04 PM
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help and opinions please
[link|https://secure.edatamap.com/aboutus.asp|https://secure.edatamap.com/aboutus.asp]
in that link the gentleman in the second picture from the top and myself are about to go into a massive disagreement. This is not work but my personal family life. His degree is from Nova college, The description of his work and his boastful pride about his mensa cert makes me very leery. His questions to my wife leaves me doubting his competence in general. Take a look at the product they are selling, my take is huckster dr phil all the way. Comments please.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #185,771
12/1/04 7:51:08 PM
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My $0.02.
From [link|http://www.counselingseattle.com/initials.htm|this list]: LMHC = Licensed Mental Health Counselor.
CAP = Certified Addiction Professional In Florida this requires a masters degree, certain credits in pharmacology, and 6,000 hours of supervised training in chemical dependency. I'm not sure what those certificates have to do with job or career counselling. I agree that a "certified Mensa I.Q." isn't something a professional would generally cite. $39.95 for a 30 minute on-line test? It's rather devious of them to call it a VAT - it makes it difficult to do a Google search on them. :-/ A red flag for me is: Accurate. . . .We've built on years of corporate consulting and personality profiling, adding in three years of software development to create a Personality Career Preference Assessment that is scientifically accurate. You'll be amazed at how accurately the VAT can profile your unique gifts and traits. "Scientifically accurate"? They give no numbers. They give no sample questions (that I've seen). They're promising too much without giving any evidence that it meets their claims. I very much doubt that it would be worth the money. I'd guess it's just a Myers-Briggs type multiple-choice quiz with some questions like [link|http://www.princetonreview.com/cte/quiz/career_quiz1.asp|this] career quiz. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #185,776
12/1/04 8:12:36 PM
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thanx, that link was what I got from a cursorary search
on him. If his threats continue I will do some hard research and dick with his license.
regards,
daemon
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #185,781
12/1/04 8:37:07 PM
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Explain threats
Email if not good for web.
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Post #185,792
12/1/04 10:33:02 PM
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mail sent, best keep it offline
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #185,779
12/1/04 8:27:26 PM
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"innovative background"?
Sounds likes it's made up.
Alex
In politics, what begins in fear usually ends in folly. -- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, poet (1772-1834)
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Post #185,780
12/1/04 8:33:55 PM
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Here ya go
Wandering through their web site shows an appalling lack of attention.
[link|http://secure.edatamap.com/vlogin.asp|http://secure.edatamap.com/vlogin.asp]
"Click the Admininstration button if you are a staff
member viewing VAT results."
Admininstration?
Their "secure" login pages are not, use plain text and do not
"post" to a secure site.
At least the page that takes credit card info uses SSL.
On the other hand, their site reponds to both SSL and
non-SSL on all pages, and they use relative addresses
as they move through them. Sloppy.
"CopyRight 2003, Data Mapping & Imaging, LLC"
CopyRight? Upper and lower? Assholes.
It is a 4 person company, scam.
"Eric S. White" has absolutely no web presence.
Their server is BEGGING to be taken over:
PORT STATE SERVICE
20/tcp closed ftp-data
21/tcp open ftp
80/tcp open http
443/tcp open https
1139/tcp closed cce3x
3306/tcp open mysql
3389/tcp open ms-term-serv
5800/tcp open vnc-http
5900/tcp open vnc
8000/tcp closed http-alt
8080/tcp closed http-proxy
VNC? Over the web? With Terminal services?
They are already owned.
"Thomas Buonomo MS, LMHC, CAP". This guy is actually
interesting. Googling him shows him in a self-promoting
directory for treatment of borderline personality disorder
[link|http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/bpdlist.htm|http://www.mhsanctua...rline/bpdlist.htm],
and an offer for free grief counseling after 911:
[link|http://www.sptimes.com/News/091401/news_pf/State/Aftershocks_notebook.shtml|http://www.sptimes.c...ks_notebook.shtml]
The picture sucks. I wonder if he is wanted and the only
way he would put his picture up is if it is out of focus.
"Timothy N. Daley PhD" is another odd ball. His only
discernable web presence is buying a Seiko watch!
[link|http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=170229&messageid=1072240396|http://www.network54...sageid=1072240396]
This is his personal email address "headdoc5@tampabay.rr.com"
"William W. Urban PhD" - Again, no web presence.
I'd say the major players in this are Buonomo and Daley. Urban is
a random figurehead (his work history makes the other guys look good),
and White is someones "techie" neighbor they got to do the web site.
Buonomo is probably the brains (and he'll be happy to tell you), but
he needed a marketing person, so he hooked up with Daley.
Here is their OTHER corporate site:
[link|http://www.peoplebuilders.org/about.htm|http://www.peoplebuilders.org/about.htm]
And yup, I was right, only 2 people there!
Here is another site, kind of like the 1st, but not exactly:
[link|http://www.qdatamap.com/aboutq.htm|http://www.qdatamap.com/aboutq.htm]
Seems like a precursor to the site you pointed to.
Basically they are 2 HR assholes capitalizing on
drug-in-the-worksplace scares.
Bottom line: Snake oil.
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Post #185,796
12/1/04 11:03:35 PM
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Ports aren't even filtered...
hmmm, I know of something... that could possibly do a shakedown.
-- [link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg], [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwetheyNo matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
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Post #185,798
12/1/04 11:07:35 PM
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Sgt. Esterhaus: "Hey - Let's be careful out there."
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Post #185,864
12/2/04 6:07:03 PM
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got it covered
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
clearwater highschool marching band [link|http://www.chstornadoband.org/|http://www.chstornadoband.org/]
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Post #185,805
12/2/04 3:18:50 AM
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"a certified Mensa I.Q."?
That's a bullshit claim.
They'll take anyone who got in [link|http://www.gnym.us.mensa.org/scores.html|the top 2%] once. That is easier than it sounds, try as many times as you want, one success and you're in. A [link|http://www.us.mensa.org/join_mensa/testscores.php3|wide variety] of tests are accepted, which many of us take for different reasons.. An average student in the Ivy League should qualify. I guarantee that quite a few here qualify, including yours truly. I doubt that many here who qualify would have any interest in actually paying a membership fee to belong though...
(BTW Mensa is only the best-known of [link|http://www.polymath-systems.com/intel/hiqsocs/hiqsocs1.html|a variety] of high-IQ societies.)
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,809
12/2/04 6:02:16 AM
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Heh.. thanks.____again.
Nice collection.
Having some personal experience of a few members of the fledgling Scientology thing, I was drawn, early-on to peer under the rock of the casuistry of IQ idolatry. National IQ Bird: the peacock.
Did you notice that one Ronald K. Hoeflin .. Really Gets Around !?
Love. It.
Need DRL's handy little reminder, narcissism.
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Post #185,893
12/3/04 2:30:01 AM
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I have a toy model I've considered publishing...
Suppose that IQ = 100 + INT + TST, where INT and TST are independent normal distributions with a standard deviation of 10. INT stands for true cognitive ability. TST stands for your ability to be good at tests - abilities ranging from not being tense about them, to not wasting too much time rechecking. And IQ is your score on a hypothetical IQ test.
This model tends to come out with characteristics and correlations very close to real IQ tests. But it allows you to pose questions like, What IQ do you expect of people in the 98'th percentile of intelligence? If someone is in the 98'th percentile of IQ, how intelligent are they likely to be?
The answers are very upsetting for people who want to take IQ tests seriously. Obviously there is a correlation between INT and IQ. But it turns out that if your IQ was on the boundary of the top 1%, then the odds that your intelligence is actually in the top 1% is only 1%. Your intelligence is pretty good - you're probably in the top 10% - but is nowhere near your IQ score. This leads to the amusing conclusion that if you had a perfect way to measure INT, the vast majority of people in Mensa would not qualify for Mensa!
The same applies in reverse, in this model very intelligent people do well on IQ tests, but not outstandingly so.
I've toyed with the idea of joining a high IQ society just so that I'd be able to present this to people who are unduly proud of their IQ scores and see their reaction. But it has never quite been worthwhile...
Cheers,
Ben
PS Given the ability to have multiple attempts, and the fact that there is considerable variability for a given person from day to day, far more than 2% of the population could realistically manage to get in to Mensa.
PPS I suspect that high IQ societies draw people who have good IQ scores but not much else in the way of significant accomplishments (else they'd meet people through the other accomplishments). In the toy model above, that would suggest that high IQ societies appeal most to people whose IQ is more a result of TST than INT. Which helps explain why everything that I've seen from Mensa stresses IQ test-like problems, and not what I consider intelligent discourse...
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,895
12/3/04 6:25:21 AM
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"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged
your cruelty or your [link|http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6444/| recklessness]". :-\ufffd
{diabolical chortle} You Must! .. Join, keeping tiny pocketed tape recorder running.
(As to your PPS - Indeed! those possessed of << supra-excessive 'feelin-Good-about MySelf'ism, would have joined Kiwanis or Elks or .. vicariously hung out at Cheers
(YAN Tee Vee hang-out-in-bars soap - of which you may be unaware, for lack of a tube?))
Corollary too, for the little essay you found a couple years back, re the 'self-analysis' attitudes of those who demonstrate competence VS those who merely stand and Wish. The poorest thought the highest, and so on.
It's a lovely formula; accords also with my own experience:
I first began to Question this stuff, on seeing my own numbers - from childhood and later. Engaged in a little test-run of then current Std. test, administered by a grad student perfecting her skills; as control [!?] I was paired with a physicist friend who was by then a bit bored with what led to his PhD, but was a brilliant innovator -- who went on to work for an aerospace concern, spinning off ideas/hour better than most folks' /month rate.
I Knew (from luck-of-draw close proximity to a number of unarguably Brilliant folk, across the years) how *my* talents 'compared'. Shall spare self, being no more specific. Thus obv to moi: the Number was ~pure BS - by inspection. And always Shall remain BS - until there is calibrated also:
the mental laziness factor.
[MLF? = a negative qty.]
IQ = 100 + INT + TST
Now That.. renders superfluous a few hundred even well-chosen introductory words..
Love. It.
PS - your thesis shall be rejected as surely as the Believer turns from that ol Debbil perched on the left shoulder and returns to the blood of the Lamb..
Sadist!
All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have.
-- Albert Einstein
OR
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.
-Bertrand Russell via mmoffitt
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Post #185,896
12/3/04 6:53:41 AM
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I always considered mensa underachievers unanimus
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Post #185,898
12/3/04 7:07:10 AM
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I'd be a moron by their standards.
(Shut up, you lot.)
I'm hopeless at IQ tests. I think I scored a whopping 40 on the last IQ test I did. Yes, 40. That's so dense you forget to breathe.
Given that I seem to be able to function as a reasonably competent human being doing a reasonably complex job, I have since come to regard IQ tests and their proponents as silly things pursued by people who otherwise suck.
Peter
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Post #185,910
12/3/04 9:32:18 AM
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Conversely
I had a guy working for me who score really well on the IQ test. Was very proud of his IQ. He had no common sense and no people skills. Ended up firing him after I cought him arguing with a customer over a minor point. Customer was correct!
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #186,082
12/5/04 9:10:38 PM
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WTF is "Common Sense"?
People use that phrase all the time, but no one seems able to define it. I decided long ago that "common sense" was as meaningless as an arbitrary number on an IQ test.
I mean, if "common sense" is what is "commonly known", then surely anyone with common sense would, in comparison to the arbitrary numbers supplied by the various IQ tests, have an IQ of 100. Yet, people who use the phrase "common sense" frequently imply that "common sense" exists outside the realm of the customarily accepted definition of intellect. So, what exactly is meant by "common sense"?
Not that it matters ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #186,084
12/5/04 9:30:47 PM
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Easy
Common sense is a termed applied by someone who wants to call someone else stupid.
They take an example of a bit of knowledge they have. And then assume all people should have it. Which in turn allows them to say the person that does not have it does not have "common sense". IE: They are stupid.
I work for someone (consulting) who will often forget to give me direction in a given area. So I will extract out of him the info I need. I will do this again and again, to make sure I have not missed something. He'll often try to tell me it is common sense and I should just know it. I respond to him that when I blow 10 hours programming something he does not want, it is going to cost him. Then he is quite willing to spend more time explaining.
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Post #186,191
12/6/04 2:58:50 PM
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Re: Easy
They take an example of a bit of knowledge they have. And then assume all people should have it. Which in turn allows them to say the person that does not have it does not have "common sense". IE: They are stupid. Yep, sounds about right to me. See, I claim to have no common sense, i.e. I don't seem to know what everyone seems to think I should. So in turn, some people call me stupid. Other people call me sheltered. Either way, I didn't learn the things that people think I should have, either because I wasn't exposed to them, or I didn't care at the time. Brenda
"It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends."
(Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
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Post #186,195
12/6/04 3:36:27 PM
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Common Sense
When talking to a client - do you tell them off?
When talking to your boss - do you tell him that you're smarter than him and that you'd never hire him (the boss).
Two examples of what things that this guy did. IMHO, those are two "common sense" things that you don't do.
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #186,280
12/7/04 1:57:15 PM
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Ah. For you: "Common Sense" == "Situational Awareness". ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem
Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
(Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
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Post #186,402
12/8/04 4:17:45 AM
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Easy? Not.
Seems usually to imply the employment of 'conventional wisdom' - the not-Easy part being: that is no wiser than is conventional thought, generally.
I think the term is also entwined with the built-in antiintellectual bias in Murican genes. Am reminded of a story, possibly even true, re Edison - interviewing candidates for his lab. Gave them each a light bulb and asked them to measure its volume. All sorts of geometry/calculus formulae were trotted out.
The winner (of the job slot, I guess) immersed the bulb in a (wide enough) graduated cylinder of water, subtracted and gave a close-enough answer.
So.. which was the "common sense" approach?
Another conundrum for ya - since hierarchical systems -via which we run Everything- spawn Rules & Regulations for all conceivable and inconceivable circumstances, furnishing needed work to manual writers:
Describe a 'common sense' approach to "airport security 2004". Compare that with pro forma. Now is criticism of the current plan the same as, accusing the spawners of the current Master Plan, of being stupid? or is it just common sense criticism..?
(Common sense will tell you to turn a motorcycle handlebar to the right - to turn right.. What you really do is quite different. ;-)
Rest case. What I think most people really mean by 'common sense' is: "what would you do that might actually Work?" If it does work: you used common sense or maybe.. uncommon sense. (Of course, this is of no help whatsoever, in a Windows installation. It might not work the same way thrice.. But Management would neither know this nor believe this - so You are wrong, frequently. Y.P.B.)
I, likely lacking in common sense.
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Post #186,350
12/7/04 8:33:09 PM
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You know: Not calling MrDumass "Mr Dumbass" at an interview.
[link|http://www.awrootbeer.com/multimedia/mr-dumass.mov|A&W Rootbeer Commercial] (.mov).
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #185,976
12/3/04 7:23:24 PM
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The test identifies the MCSE as a moron. Hmm...
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,977
12/3/04 7:27:09 PM
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I'm not an MSCE :-)
Peter
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Post #185,981
12/3/04 7:47:09 PM
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I thought that you got that cert a while ago, did it expire?
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,983
12/3/04 7:53:12 PM
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Nope.
Didn't take all the exams.
I still know more about Windows than is healthy, mind you.
Peter
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Post #185,986
12/3/04 8:33:17 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #185985 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=185985|ICLRPD]
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Post #185,924
12/3/04 12:20:42 PM
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Nah--plenty of animus therein ;)
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Post #185,980
12/3/04 7:46:48 PM
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Similar opinion but...
I'm aware that it is entirely based on bias. I've only known a handful of members of Mensa and none of them have I known well. It may be that Mensa attracts interesting people that I'd love.
But nobody that I've personally known whose intelligence impresses me has ever been a member of Mensa. So I've never been particularly interested in investigating Mensa.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,926
12/3/04 12:27:46 PM
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Diagnostics?
Not sure of the validity of IQ tests in measuring intelligence but was wondering how effective tests are in diagnostic screening for learning difficulties?
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Post #185,982
12/3/04 7:48:29 PM
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Pretty good...
at least for grotesque difficulties. Which makes sense, that is what they were originally designed for. But they miss anything subtle, for instance dyslexia.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #185,831
12/2/04 11:52:50 AM
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They're all characters in Half-Life 2.
Seriously. None of them look real.
Peter
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