Not my ox. That died some time ago.

Post #18,205 by Ashton 11/14/01 4:07:30 AM Reply	Not my ox. That died some time ago. I find the entire pabulum of Murican political cacophony as ludicrous as, apparently - you do. In the spirit of our polar national non-debates.. I just take each asserted POV as a monad. Don't try to keep a running tally but - yes, usually your little notes of cheer are mixed with less straw than above. Whad'ya do - install XP by mistake, and can't get rid of it? Still, carping about Bill C's use of BS lawyer-speak, amidst a patently political attempt at a coup d'etat (Portuguese for, tryin to run the sucker outta town).. this overseen by one of the outstanding sexual hypocrites around, Mr. Youthful Indiscretion Himself.. well, that's kinda a red flag. Still, the larger humor is on the larger scale: if there were ever a more juvenile, Puritan-besotted sexually hypocritical society to-the-core than this: nominations? So at least there was daily comic relief as these folk tried to stir up the sheep to evict this.. this.. typical Murican male! - for acting out what so many wished they could manage. As in hee hee. Well, I'd like to argue that the concern for the general social welfare, rights of the working person (especially since the assassination + self-immolation of the trade unions): is squarely in the Democrat court. Can't though - to obtain power Bill C. had to adopt first the speech patterns of the terminally misanthropic, then - after ill-advised forays into military sex and pompous misreading of the power of the insurance and medical Corps: he lost that overdue reform for us all, too. When his sl. rt. of center is called 'Liberal' and Bushie's far-right current influence group is called 'Conservative' - WTF does anything mean anymore? (what does 'mean' mean?) So I have no idea what a W2K 'Democrat' might do, to find a leader for 2004 - or even much idea how many actual Democrats remain here. All I know for sure is that 'Democrats' aren't Democrats and Republicans aren't .. 'Conservative' but are tossing red meat to their most reactionary wing; mixing-in theology wherever they can get away with it - and are more than happy to even increase Corporate power to fund the next election. (Theirs natch). Guess it'll still be: a pseudo-Democrat over a Reactionary masquerading as a Conservative. Every time. OR: another Wrestler! Couldn't possibly do worse. I have no solutions for redesign, because any I come up with - require an adult informed citizenry. What we have is a juvenile, disinformed mass of mouth-breathing consumers. Since they aren't 'safe' for ideas - ya sure as hell can't make ideas safe for them. Corporate knows what's best for Corporate. Any questions? or do we gotta return to all Monica all the time? (forgot name of the missing surrogate du jour, but we haven't heard much about her Svengali, Condit - since we got a real Issue to nationally weasel to death with platitudes) (Who's Katie Couric - izzat comm'l TeeVee or somethin? ;-) Ashton now if we could get the whole population away from their TeeVees to practice thrashing stuff out too, why by '04 - Naaah. By then- we might have to ask the guy with the armband for permission. Blockenf\ufffdhrer?
Post #18,229 by screamer 11/14/01 9:57:19 AM Reply	L&COL... That's laughing and crying... As you have correctly surmised, yes, I have recently installed XP and do want it to go away :-) (actually not "so" awful). It is a good Quake III server though, so I may let it lay around for a while. Katie Couric is the (still) perky one that used to sit next to Brant/Bryant (sp?) (now Matt anyway) to tell the morning hypnotized what to think. And going with the new tagline, "you know that the hypnotized never lie - do you?" Having cleared those things up, I am growing tired of the drone of DemoRepo buzz marketing on any medium. This place was sort of my last respite. Now... even on the War On Terrorism forum, I'm getting (paid?) political adds from the left... It wouldn't be so awful if it weren't for the fact that I have been screaming for 20 odd years about the drug laws and the way THEY have been destroying the Fourth... Terrorists/Drug Dealers... next? Car dealers? This type of Rip Van Winkle gestalt just sort of smells of political sell sell sell to me. I, of course, could be wrong, but I am willing to take my First Amen right (praise...) to ferret out what I perceive as bullshit. Now, "I" feel better... Just a few thoughts, Screamer "I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution, smile and grin at the change all around, pick up my guitar and play, just like yesterday..." P. Townshend "You know that the hypnotized never lie" P. Townshend "Do you?" P. Townshend
Post #18,307 by Ashton 11/14/01 4:48:00 PM Reply	Will be on same side of barricades.. Yes.. the War 0n ___ is such a Popular Murican EZ-alternative to profound thought, debate on any issue. Hey! we declared war! - now we can let the &%#@ Marines handle it, and go back to sleep: the cheeldrun will be safe! (except from us, of course). I'd give the War on Poverty somewhat higher marks. Johnson was perhaps the Master politico of our time; knew where the bodies were buried, and the intimate strains of personal madness within ALL the heavy lifters (and even me-toos). While his motive was surely somewhat ~personal legacy (how could it not be?), I think he was sorely stung by the disdain and mawkishness of the Kennedy clan - who unwisely dismissed him as a rustic buffoon. LBJ was nothing if he wasn't smart - and he knew fully how any efforts to actually address er 'peoples needs'!, was an alien concept to the c-critters. Etc. You are of course entirely correct about the prior erosion of lots of principles < 9/11. But I'd see that Mouse That Roared* and raise you with a pair of Duesys: Babbitt, and It Can't Happen Here. Believe Sinclair Lewis was our homegrown de Tocqueville (maybe augment that with Graham Greene, In the American Grain for advanced divination?). 'We' are in fact intellectually lazy (even anti-) as a matter of preference - for simplistic fixes to highly interrelated giant Problems. We flush our problems down the toilet whenever we can - surely our most popular 'solution'. The Drug War proves: the current crop of 'consumers' hasn't an iota of comprehension.. of the mechanics of Prohibition and why it failed, would fail thus Why: This Too shall pass - after Enough cousins are doing 40 years, for wanting to alter Their Own\ufffd &%$& minds (to escape the unutterable banality of the Murica we have let the Corporations 'build' with our ovine complicity). I spit on the graves (present and future) of the illiterate MBA/CPA-circumscribed entrepreneurs and their Marketing mouth-breathers, so typified by the recently deceased MeMeMe.com in(s)anity. Babies playin Greed The Game\ufffd. Talk 'bout yer virtual Reality.. May they be slowly asphyxiated by masses of ground-up $1000 bills dropping slowly into open throats - as, staked in prone position: they must listen to Corp-CDs of cacophonous sounds (at 90 dBm) as are sold to the grazing sheep, to keep them disoriented. Also smells: of frying burgers with double-bacon. And disco/exercise videos. Well, so much for the mild solutions.. Bumper sticker seen: Die Yuppie Scum! (Another wimpy moderate.) Ashton at least we'll soon know Why things will next occur (?) .. things fall apart .. the center cannot hold (We got such a good price - we sold it All)
Post #18,339 by CRConrad 11/14/01 7:54:14 PM Reply	Hey - <lightbulb on> - does this mean the expression... Ashton uses a spelling I haven't seen before: But I'd see that Mouse That Roared and raise you with a pair of Duesys: ..."That's a doozy!" refers / originally referred to a car?!? (Brand name used as a symbolic expression of "excellence", like?) That it actually means -- or used to mean -- "That's a Duesenberg!"...? Cool! Ya learn something new every day. Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Comes Ever Closer To Knowing Fucking Everything
Post #18,343 by Ashton 11/14/01 8:14:49 PM Reply	Ya gotta watch that incipient Alzheimers.. Twas in fact thee thyself who er emended my scrofulous error of using Deusy, reminding me 'twas Duesenberg! (least I didn't say, Deusenburg). And while assuredly pronounced Doozy, I feel that proper accuracy for a {sniff} now fading Marque is de rigeur.. a Marque unknown to latest crop of Yahoos lusting after copycat homogenized Logos with interchangeable bodies attached, that is. (I can only vaguely recall seeing it in print, but would bet 10:1 it was indeed spelled 'Duesy' - I'd remember the post-modern abortion flag.. which Doozy would have evoked in my nascent brain as large as a planet.. I would!) Natch too, we of the Cisitalia Owners Club possess much finer sensibilities and wisdom, except wehn/sic we transpose ue and stuff. The Man Who Fills in the Blanks for The Man Knowing Fucking-near Everything
Post #18,345 by Ashton 11/14/01 8:18:01 PM Reply	Er Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle..
Post #18,533 by CRConrad 11/16/01 9:13:21 AM Reply	I think that was only the whole word I saw then? Or perhaps the discussion was already so car-oriented that if you used the short form, it was "too obviously" a nickname for the car-building brothers? Either way, I don't think the connection to the idiomatic expression for "Great!" had occurred to me before. Couldn't swear to it, though... Indeed, Alzheimer is the final Nemesis of us all -- if Murphy doesn't get us, he will! Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #18,585 by Ashton 11/16/01 3:41:36 PM Reply	Heh.. forgot what -- er, what you said is prolly correct :-)
Post #18,597 by CRConrad 11/16/01 7:27:43 PM Reply	Not that we should... Either way, I don't think the connection to the idiomatic expression* for "Great!" had occurred to me before.* ...regard that connection as fully established -- or should we? I was mostly just speculating, you know; much of what "occurs" to one as "obvious, in hindsight" turns out not to be so obvious at all, but just plain wrong. Anybody know which on-line dictionary to turn to for etymologies of outdated slang expressions? Christian R. Conrad The Man Who Knows Fucking Everything
Post #19,032 by Ashton 11/20/01 8:47:50 PM Reply	Not sure what you're unsure about. Also: need New Word! What I can report from childhood memory is that, "That's a Duesy" (perhaps often misspelled as Doozy or other? too young to know that at time) - indeed meant Great! or to translate for our newcomers: Kewl as replaced Rad ... bitchin .. and all the serial attempts to create a new Word-def to own for just one's peer group. Pretty sure I used it well before realizing it was about That Car - though pretty early on, I did find out about the real Duesys: them was bitchin! (with 19\ufffd gas) {sigh} Now I'm looking for a New word-def to encapsulate our Renegade Attorney General Ashcroft, as he abrogates new powers to his Exec Group, almost daily. Something perhaps hinting at the ease with which he is also so-far not much opposed in this dismantling of various rights, etc. Something of the droll casuistry of say, Satisfiction (IIRC - someone's typo which rang huge gongs here: possibly it describes the ersatz feeling of having watched infotainment? or had to hear an entire Ad run through? Or bought most any '80s hunk of Detroit Iron? .. or ever believed any single phrase from Redmond - for an entire minute) So any ideas? - something suggesting duplicity, sanctimony, spin, nefarious sub-plot and overall: disingenuousness via a Patriotic rubric. Guess I'll post this in Politics forum - everybody loves a Contest. Winner gets: attribution and a free \ufffd Cheers, Ashton Linguistics Ltd. Don't like the sound of 'bad' ? We'll make it sound like 'good'
Post #19,038 by a6l6e6x 11/20/01 9:18:33 PM Reply	Ashcroft has at least a temporary setback. [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Assisted-Suicide.html\|NY Times: Oregon.] A federal judge on Tuesday extended a court order that has temporarily blocked a move by the U.S. government to dismantle the nation's only law allowing physician-assisted suicide. Checks and balances in action. Alex Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #19,046 by Ashton 11/20/01 9:46:09 PM Reply	The mob is very loud, though. A small step for a man a giant backwards leap for Muricankind, swaddled in the required Patriot mouthings. Will it work again as it has so often worked? Will it take a few months, years - a decade? - to unDo it? We are such babies at self-government -- care to guess how many around you could even ID the Bill of Rights' contents? (the sad test has been done many times) Stay tuned. PS - he'll soon end-run around all physicians and kill Med Marijuana next - bet? Hey Gerard: is he still Da Man? (all misunderstood and unfairly accused of: losing his last election to a dead man?) He did, you know - in MO. Where they know who he be. And they be 'conservative of Their Stuff there' too. A.
Post #19,060 by CRConrad 11/20/01 10:00:11 PM Reply	About whether the idiom actu-really does refer to the car.
Post #19,068 by Ashton 11/20/01 10:22:55 PM Reply	It do: less'n they lied to a little kid :(
Post #18,655 by Ric Locke 11/17/01 9:08:08 PM Reply	The real D\ufffdsey -- >Twas in fact thee thyself who er emended my scrofulous error of using Deusy, reminding me 'twas Duesenberg! (least I didn't say, Deusenburg). ::chuckle:: Christian, you should have been able to work that one out; after all it's a German word. D\ufffdsenberg -- and the usual convention of umlaut = letter + e when there aren't any umlauts on the keyboard (there's a reason it was called ASCII)
Post #19,025 by CRConrad 11/20/01 7:01:34 PM Reply	Huh? Of course I did; that may be why I could correct him.
Post #18,373 by boxley 11/14/01 10:46:20 PM Reply	aaactuually aahm ver found of mamma has a squeezebox, goin mobile, Im (screw it all of them) thanx, bill tshirt front "born to die before I get old" thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"

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