Post #179,031
10/12/04 11:46:28 PM
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The genius of Karl Rove
From the website of a Las Vegas TV station: The I-Team has obtained information about an alleged widespread pattern of potential registration fraud aimed at democrats.\ufffdThee focus of the story is a private registration company called Voters Outreach of America, AKA America Votes.
The out-of-state firm has been in Las Vegas for the past few months, registering voters. It employed up to 300 part-time workers and collected hundreds of registrations per day, but former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America\ufffdonly wanted Republican registrations.
Two former workers say they personally witnessed company supervisors rip up and trash registration forms signed by Democrats.
"We caught her taking Democrats out of my pile, handed them to her assistant and he ripped them up right in front of us. I grabbed some of them out of the garbage and she tells her assisatnt to get those from me," said Eric Russell, former Voters Outreach employee.
Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law
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The landlord says Voters Outreach was evicted for non-payment of rent. Another source said the company has now moved on to Oregon where it is once again registering voters.\ufffd It's unknown how many registrations may have been tossed out, but another ex-employee told Eyewitness News she had the same suspicions when she worked there.
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The company has been largely, if not entirely funded, by the Republican National Committee.\ufffdSimilar complaints have been received in Reno where the registrar has asked the FBI to investigate. [link|http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595&nav=168XRvNe|source] Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?
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Post #179,032
10/12/04 11:47:57 PM
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holy cran what a scumbag
-drl
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Post #179,037
10/13/04 12:50:03 AM
10/13/04 12:51:25 AM
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The Republican Party has become a criminal organization . .
. . similar to the Nazi party in Germany in the 1930's. It has absolutely nothing to do with "conservatism", in fact the oposite (check out the budget deficit). It does not seek to conserve American values in any way but to destroy them and replace them with a fascist / theocratic aristocaracy based on family, wealth, oil and military might.
The major domestic agenda is to convert the U.S. into a police state similar to an oversized banana republic where a very few have incredible wealth and the general population has neither wealth nor rights.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who votes for the Bush administration is either mentally imcompetent or guilty of treason against the Constitution of the United States and what it stands for - and I'm not going to appologize to anyone for that statement.
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Post #179,053
10/13/04 7:00:05 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly!
As to how 'conservative' the Neocons are, I've talked with Beep a number of times about how twisted it is that Clinton was a better Republican than our current President.
THe current President has consistently (and dating to BEFORE 9/11) done his best to gut the Constitution he supposedly SWORE to uphold. As far as I'm concerned he's guilty of treason.
I am NOT a Democrat; it sickens me that I have to vote that way to attempt to remove Bush from office - but unless we want to end up like the Weimar Republic, I have to. It's a matter of conscience.
It CAN happen here.
It IS HAPPENING here.
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- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #179,058
10/13/04 7:27:02 AM
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Yes. It is.
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Post #179,067
10/13/04 9:11:14 AM
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Re: I agree wholeheartedly!
I remember when I was ranting back in aught-naught about what a pack of swindlers and collectivists the Repos were, and was considered crazy. Heh. Pay at the door please.
-drl
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Post #179,165
10/13/04 5:10:44 PM
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Umm yes. Noblesse oblige :)
Under the rubric that, "all pols are scum" -- it has been repeatedly missed generally, I aver since ~ [my inflection point for the unremitting decline of the US: 1968] .. that Repos have been regularly pushing all boundaries of prior civility. It has been a multi-pronged \ufffdber-hypocritical format:
1) Whenever reacting to any similar ethics-free attack (or even a perfectly reasonable one) on a member or an idea - bleed publically over the Shame of such an event, while
2) Escalating and multiplying the scurrilous tricks -like one above- expecting that the somnolent consumer-class shall fail to notice/care. [a safe bet, we see]
3) Meanwhile, leverage, consolidate $$-Power via Corp meeja and purchased legislators - in well-crafted Orwelian doublespeak; chanted reiteration of symbolic disinformation, almost hourly. The mass has no capability of assembling such a hierarchy == No Contest possible.. via ordinary nonviolent means. Which leaves - -
Demos have consistently, naively failed to recognize the depths of the Program, of the patently premeditated and honed Big-Lie as underpins the more outrageous of the slogans - while even the "I think I'm a Conservative" faction - are so fucking dense as utterly to have Failed to detect the Trotskyite roots, methods and program of the Neoconman Cabal! [Most? may not Get That even as we speak.]
ie
You Were right. then and still.
(Doesn't matter if gross disgust increases the hyperbole content, when one spies an infected banana-republic Slug putrefying beneath one's bed.)
1968: the acceleration downwards Began, with only a few small intervening plateaus - like the unprecedented turn-around of DEBT attitudes during the reign of Bill Clinton, actually a moderate-Republican, not a 'Democrat'.
(Of course too re DEBT: The Peepul have yet to Get what their habits of instant gratification-via-CCs Will cost them, as the present depression worsens.. for all the vast beyond-measuring Shit done since ShrubivoreRove arrived to eat Everyone's Lunch.
Rest case.
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Post #179,070
10/13/04 9:19:22 AM
10/13/04 9:19:59 AM
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You don't need to apologize for the truth!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
Oct. 13, 2004, 09:19:59 AM EDT
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Post #179,039
10/13/04 1:58:07 AM
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Question
Does the US voter registration form require one to indicate one's political affinity?
Peter
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Post #179,044
10/13/04 3:56:57 AM
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Yes
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Post #179,047
10/13/04 5:32:17 AM
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Pardon my Freedom
I mean "French".
Short version: WHAT THE FUCK!?
You have to indicate your political leanings to REGISTER as a voter?
That. Is. Fucked. In. The. Head.
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Post #179,048
10/13/04 5:34:00 AM
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Stunned. Guys, leave that country, now.
Two out of three people wonder where the other one is.
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Post #179,076
10/13/04 10:17:23 AM
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You can claim "independent" . .
. . but then you can't vote in party primaries (some states differ). The party declaration is to select which ballot you get in the primaries.
Personally, I'm a registered Republican because that seemed the most absurd thing to do then, and much more so now. It has the advantage that I get all the mailings and things sent to the party faithful.
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Post #179,087
10/13/04 11:42:06 AM
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Question.
Why is that on the registration form at all?
Peter
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Post #179,089
10/13/04 11:55:06 AM
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Many states have "closed primaries" . .
. . where you may only vote for candidates for the party you are registered with ("independents" don't get to vote for any primary candidates). The registration form is the logical place to gather this information from.
The theory is that in "open primaries", crossover voters could pack the vote for the candidate they think has the least chance of winning against their chosen candidate in the final elections.
Up to the final election, the parties consider their candidates their own property and not open to the influence of outsiders. In the final election all voters get the exact same ballot (discounting election fraud).
I am not endorsing the political party system here, only stating the situation as it is. If all primaries were converted to "open" this information would no longer be needed. Too many have vested interests for this to happen.
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Post #179,116
10/13/04 1:37:33 PM
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Am I correct in thinking, then...
...that I'm not the first person to observe that this is Nucking Futs?
Peter
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Post #179,132
10/13/04 2:11:46 PM
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Yes, you are. No, you are not.
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Post #179,133
10/13/04 2:14:25 PM
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You're not the first....
but, to play devil's advocate, the concept is that the party is a semi-private organization. If you're not a member why would you get a say in what leader the party is putting forth as their candidate (ie: go make up your own party and choose your own candidate).
The flip side is that, in American politics, there's pretty much 2 parties and that's it (most attempts at a 3rd party fail). So, if you're not a member, you don't get a say (vote) in the primaries.
Shrug. It's not a huge issue for anyone, as it's not THAT hard to cross party lines (I'm a Republican...no wait, I'm a Democrat...no wait!)
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Post #179,134
10/13/04 2:15:01 PM
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Opinions vary all over the map, as do state laws . .
. . but the major parties are pretty firm on wanting closed primaries so it's not going to change any time soon.
California in 1998 passed a completely open primary initiative that allowed you to vote a mix of candidates and was immediately sued by both major political parties. A U.S. Judge and the subsequent appeals court upheld the California law, but the U.S. Supreme Court (yes, the same one that appointed W President) said that violated "free association" and forced the political parties to "associate" with persons with philosophies they did not agree with.
California has a [link|http://reforminstitute.org/cgi-data/issues/files/14.shtml|rewritten initiative] in the works now for a second try.
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Post #179,135
10/13/04 2:18:06 PM
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I'm in agreement with the decision...
...but the problem is, they didn't follow it to the logical conclusion:
Primaries should be held and funded by the party in question, not by the state.
All I want for my birthday is a new President!
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Post #179,154
10/13/04 3:22:58 PM
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There's an even simpler method to deal with this.
You become a member of the party by joining it, and paying a fee. In my country, the fee may not be penurious in any way; for example, to join the Liberal Party of Canada for one year costs five bucks. Once you're a member, you get to participate. And yes, things like leadership votes, riding association nominations, etc are all paid for by the party in question.
For the actual voter registration for an actual general election (be it at the riding, municipal, federal/provincial level), party membership information is not collected and if inadvertently gained must be discarded immediately.
In fact, the person in charge of Elections Canada is not even permitted to vote.
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Post #179,155
10/13/04 3:33:21 PM
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Nod. That's how it is here.
Registering to vote is a non-partisan act.
Peter
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Post #179,470
10/15/04 6:10:19 PM
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Question:
to join the Liberal Party of Canada for one year costs five bucks
Is that a one time only fee, or an annual fee? lincoln
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Post #179,474
10/15/04 6:27:26 PM
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That isn't clear from the sentence quoted???
The words for one year are highly suggestive...
Cheers,
Ben
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Post #179,156
10/13/04 3:33:47 PM
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And there you have it.
If the taxpayers are paying for the primaries, the taxpayers should get to set the rules. If that isn't satisfactory to the parties, they should pay for their own primaries and have their own way with them.
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Post #179,109
10/13/04 12:56:33 PM
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Your "vote" is protected. Party affiliation is not.
bcnu,
Mikem
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-Ted Grant
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Post #179,169
10/13/04 5:46:47 PM
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no, repo demo unafiliated
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Post #179,171
10/13/04 6:01:03 PM
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Yes -- is not the answer
Actually the answer is no, at least in NY
also many states have open primaries where any voter can vote (in one primary)
this to me is worse than closed primaries as I do not want a bunch of Republicans selecting the Democratic nominee, also if you don't pick a party why should you be able to pick the parties candidates
I'd be surprised if any state forced you to pick a party but I've been surprised before
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Post #179,059
10/13/04 7:44:50 AM
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AFAIK they don't require it -- but they do ask
[link|http://election.dos.state.fl.us/regtovote/webappform.pdf|Here's] one from Florida in pdf form.
Giovanni
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
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Post #179,062
10/13/04 8:40:53 AM
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Not here in Illinois you don't...
[link|http://www.elections.state.il.us/elecinfo/pages/downloads/pdf/R-19.pdf|Here] is the Illinois Voter Registration Application R-19. Nowhere on there does it ask for your party affiliation.
I've been registered to vote in 3 states during my lifetime (New Jersey, Texas, and Illinois.) The only times I ever had to say which party I was voting for was during primaries, where you're only allowed to vote for one set of candidates. That does not necessarily declare your party affiliation, however, because you could be a life-long fully-registered Republican, but if you want to vote in the Democratic primary to attempt to get "the easier guy for your guy to beat" to win the Democratic primary, I've never heard of any laws disallowing that.
-YendorMike
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Post #179,088
10/13/04 11:43:53 AM
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Not require. Allow
That is done for primaries.
I am registered as "Independent" now.
(no, not a member of "Independent" party. Just not affiliated. Talk about domain name squatting)
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Post #179,057
10/13/04 7:20:32 AM
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Red Rover
Did you cc. Jon Carroll, say? (or, I will)
One could imagine hundreds of tiny Nintendo Eloi making such pilgrimages, perhaps aided by radio-controlled model airplanes - in exchange for the promised 17 virgin goats, at the end of their Holy Mission. Couldn't one?
T'would be Loverly to find an Eternal Golden Braid actually tying this Rovetilian putrescence to the RNC-temple. In a less suppurating world: aired via JK on tonight's faux-debate thingy!
I'd pay real money to witness a placard on an [folding, pocket] easel ~~ the one Adlai used in UN to point out the missiles in Cuber to Dobrynin!
(OTOH maybe the World Has Ended and *this* is the 'out' to where we'unses all got Raptured; corruption thus verified: at the Very Top.. as so many had anticipated.)
Ah.. to see an eternity in a mere four more earth-years
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Post #179,065
10/13/04 9:03:08 AM
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Nevada followup
From the Las Vegas Sun: CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Voter registration for the Nov. 2 elections ended Tuesday, with election officials saying preliminary numbers show a record 1.1 million Nevadans have signed up to cast ballots.
While final numbers won't be available for several days, reports from state and local election officials indicated Republicans were hanging onto a slim registration lead over Democrats. [link|http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2004/oct/12/101210560.html|source] Ya think? cordially, Cthulhu for President. Why vote for a lesser evil?
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