Post #168,857
8/12/04 8:46:14 AM
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Re: Why am I bothered with this . . .
1) Whine. 2) This software is on its last legs anyway, so I'm not inclined to spend a lot of time on it any longer. 3) The "mark read until" feature is more useful than the "mark all read" feature. 4) *Lots* of people complained about the one-click oh-crap I-didn't-really-want-to-do-that nature of "mark all read". It's not "Windows software" now. was a bad design in the first place. 5) This was the quickest way add 3 and fix 4. 6) I'm much more inclined to listen to things like "this sucks, here's a better idea" than "this sucks, *whine*". Get the hint? I know programmers can't leave something that works alone I call bullshit on this one. Some things should be improved. Other things I do leave alone. I also occasionally try things out to see how they float. This is one of those things that stuck because a lot more people like the new way than the old way. Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #168,866
8/12/04 9:41:15 AM
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Keep up the good work Scott
I, for one, appreciate the efforts you have invested in this forum.
While I understand Andrew's complaint, and I agree with him, I too, have hit the Mark All Forum Read button by mistake and am willing to "suffer" with the confirmation instead of trying to figure out what I marked read by mistake.
I also like the ability to "hide" forums that I never read with the "Mark Read Until" feature. Best thing ever. Of course imnsho.
Carry on...
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Post #168,935
8/12/04 3:17:50 PM
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No one admires his efforts and skill more than I do
I can't understand how he could build a perfect UI for a forum and then kludge it that way. It's like a Rembrandt with a stick figure in the corner.
Of course as a programmer I doubt Scott has many equals. I imagine all the people who built Windows NT were individually great programmers. So how did the collective effort turn out so badly?
One word, committees. The best software is usually the creation of one or two people without demands other than their own desire to solve the problem.
-drl
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Post #168,887
8/12/04 11:18:30 AM
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Agreed
And I'm typically a whiner.
Irrevocable actions that cause a lot of things to change that are used by a variety of people should have an "Are you sure?" by default. If you wanted to add a user specific bypass, fine. If not, don't.
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Post #168,939
8/12/04 3:20:16 PM
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Far better solution
..would have been a confirmation popup, or a rollback to the previous state, given the testiness over popups. The latter idea is probably the "correct" way to do it.
See the UI Hall of Shame for more examples of going astray with user reqs.
-drl
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Post #168,965
8/12/04 4:36:16 PM
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Re: Far better solution
You're pretty free with scheduling my time. A rollback? Screw that. The current hack took 5 minutes, removed the problem a lot of users were having, and added significantly useful functionality.
This is a PROTOTYPE.
It isn't the final PRODUCT.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #168,972
8/12/04 5:01:32 PM
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FFF.
AKA "Patches accepted".
Peter
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Post #169,457
8/16/04 7:37:31 AM
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... which is why I rarely complain about a feature. :-)
Unless I have a constructicve suggestion.
Wade.
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Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Post #169,023
8/12/04 8:27:16 PM
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Almost what I said!
Rollback? Screw you!
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Post #168,890
8/12/04 12:06:23 PM
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see: [post://168889] for suggestion.
[link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=168889|Post #168889]
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Post #168,929
8/12/04 2:59:07 PM
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Geez, don't I get to bitch a little now and then?
The reason I didn't think up suggestions is I really don't expect anything to be done about it, since I'm aware others have praised this feature. The bitch was just to influence future decisions.
On the other hand I have to wait for the new screen to appear instead of just going on to wherever I intend to go to, and the delay is long enough that every once in a while I notice there's a new post - but my finger is already executing the "mark all" stroke so it gets marked as read too.
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Post #168,966
8/12/04 4:39:13 PM
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You *and* Ross set me off.
I'm not a big fan of "this sucks, fix it" complaints. Either give me constructive criticism, or at least admit that it's a reasonable hack given the amount of time I had to spend on it vs. the usability it added for the majority of users.
Bitches don't influence future decisions. Polite requests or "votes", preferably with constructive suggestions, do influence future decisions.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #168,977
8/12/04 5:10:29 PM
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Well, I certainly apologize for the offense . .
. . it wasn't intended to be taken at all seriously. I will be more careful in the future.
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Post #168,980
8/12/04 5:14:44 PM
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Re: Well, I certainly apologize for the offense . .
I generally take complaints about the software here pretty seriously.... ;-)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #168,988
8/12/04 5:26:21 PM
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It's a good thing he didn't complain about the dirty knife.
[link|http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode03.htm#5|MPFC] reference of course.
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Post #169,092
8/12/04 11:02:50 PM
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Re: You *and* Ross set me off.
I believe brilliant people...
-drl
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Post #168,992
8/12/04 5:38:24 PM
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I'm just curious
I don't see a lot different, other than once in awhile if I choose not to read a forum, and mark it read instead, it kicks me to that page with all those forums listed and the mark all read. Is that the "really mark all read" part? I only get it every now and then, if it is. :)
I'm very happy with the way the software works.
Nightowl >8#
"A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
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