Post #151,725
4/19/04 7:10:38 AM
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Be careful with the words "No-one".
I want to see a Kurdish state, and a Palestinian one.
Peter
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Post #151,730
4/19/04 8:12:25 AM
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agreed
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Post #151,734
4/19/04 8:37:04 AM
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People who grind axes usually can't.
That seems to include most of the ME, unfortunately.
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Post #151,748
4/19/04 10:31:47 AM
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Ok, but where is the UN ...
The EU, the British government, the US government etc. There is no comparison in the interest in the Palestinians by various organizations (UN, EU) and states vs. the Kurds. You haven't explained why.
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Post #151,750
4/19/04 10:40:17 AM
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Money
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Post #151,755
4/19/04 11:04:33 AM
4/19/04 11:04:54 AM
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What do you mean?
The Arabs have money and therefore what? I don't see what money has to do with it. It seems to that it has to do with the fact that the Kurds live in Turkey, Iraq and Syria. The Arabs have oil and 22 countries so everyone treats them nice and Turkey has been a major US ally.
Edited by bluke
April 19, 2004, 11:04:54 AM EDT
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Post #151,759
4/19/04 11:26:22 AM
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What does the US gain from a Kurdish state?
Nothing.
Would upset Turkey.
Would upset Syria.
Would upset Iraq.
Since a Kurdish state doesn't offer anything why should/would the US want to get involved?
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Post #151,763
4/19/04 11:31:17 AM
4/19/04 11:32:20 AM
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What does the US gain from a Palestinian state?
No one in the Arab world really wants one. Given the situation there any Palestinian state would probably be either an Islamic state or a failed state which is not in the US interests either. If anyone in the Arab world really cared about the Palestinians the refugees would not be sitting in refugee camps for 55+ years.
Edited by bluke
April 19, 2004, 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Post #151,766
4/19/04 12:13:18 PM
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We have a lot to gain for precisely the reasons you gave
The Arabs do not want an independant Palestinian state as the palestinians are the jews of the arab world. Hated, mistrusted and abused. Unfortunately the last 50 years of struggle has made giving them their own state the only method of self determination available to them. Whether it is an Islamic state or a failed state makes no difference, it will be their state. As for that effect on Israel, nothing will change the fact that the world wishes that the Jews would just go away and disappear from the face of the earth so it annoys them to see Jews in the news every day.
thanx,
bill
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Post #151,756
4/19/04 11:06:12 AM
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No comparison, I agree
The two situations are very very different from just about every point of view AFAIK, historically, politically, culturally.
What similarities do you see besides the desire to create a new independent political entity?
Giovanni
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Post #151,760
4/19/04 11:26:39 AM
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If anything the Kurds have a much stronger case
There already are 22 Arab states, Jordan is majority Palestinian, the Kurds on the other hand have nothing.
My point was that teh Kurds are ignored and teh Palsetinians are the darlings of the world.
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Post #151,762
4/19/04 11:29:40 AM
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Don't get me wrong.
I agree with you. But the political reality is MONEY (read OIL) or Power. A Kurdish state/country would offer nothing.
Unless we really did attack Iraq 'cuz Sadaam was a bad guy.
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Post #151,764
4/19/04 12:05:41 PM
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Kurd state would own most of Iraqs oil
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