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New Problems, the US cant adjudge right of return
we can agree with the Israeli position or not but we dont live there. Same thing for settlements, what right and what isnt needs to be accepted by both sides. The issue is that the Palestinians feel that if they continue the killing and accept the counter killing for generations if they have to they will get the entire area and Israel will cease to exist. On the israeli side even the most peace loving leftwing folks who would give Jeruselem back if they hought it would help are heartily sick of Palestians and dont want to see them ever. This gives 2 unilateral plans, one of Arafats to keep the status quo until he runs out of Jews and Sharon able to swap the close settlements to Israel for some sand dunes south of Gaza in the Negev. Sharon's plan complements Arafat's, neither would work if there was any indication of change but Arafat wants to die of old age not a bloody murder so he cannot back away from wanting all of Israel and Sharon wants to stay in power to avoid arrest. Maybe in 20 years or so they can try again.
thanx,
bill
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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New I agree, we can't impose a settlement.
Yes, both sides must come to an agreement.

But Bush has thrown away what little credibility we have as an honest broker who will reward and punish both sides as necessary to move them toward an agreement. It gives ammunition to the radicals who believe that we're deciding and helping to implement Israel's policies. He's undercutting his own Roadmap for Pete's sake.

Indeed, it may take another 20 years. It'll probably take longer if Bush is re-elected. :-(

Sharon and Arafat both know they don't have much time left in this world. Approaching death can bring a certain sharpening of focus to people who still have their faculties, but I don't know if Arafat and Sharon are in that category...

Cheers,
Scott.
     Bush strongly backs Sharon's plan - (JayMehaffey) - (56)
         It has nothing to do with Duh's "religion"... - (jb4) - (49)
             It's very short sighted. - (Another Scott) - (32)
                 Problems, the US cant adjudge right of return - (boxley) - (1)
                     I agree, we can't impose a settlement. - (Another Scott)
                 Hopefully, it makes the Palestinians more realistic - (bluke) - (29)
                     You make some good points. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Re: Hopefully, it makes the Palestinians more realistic - (JayMehaffey) - (27)
                         enough land isnt the question its the keeping Israel - (boxley) - (22)
                             But then you reap what you sow. - (a6l6e6x) - (21)
                                 came to what and when? - (boxley) - (20)
                                     That's a false premise. - (a6l6e6x) - (19)
                                         well nicely worded spin to fit your view - (boxley) - (18)
                                             Did you get to the Balfour Declaration part? -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (17)
                                                 when do my wife and kids get to move in upstairs? - (boxley) - (16)
                                                     The Balfour Declaration was just an idiot's thought. - (a6l6e6x) - (15)
                                                         As long as Rceaga has a history of belonging in Falujah - (boxley) - (13)
                                                             In the words of Mordechai Vanunu: - (a6l6e6x) - (12)
                                                                 so you agree that only arabs who want to kill all jews are - (boxley) - (3)
                                                                     That's not what the man is saying. - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                                                                         I guess the existence of Israel was responsible for... - (bluke) - (1)
                                                                             Did I say that? :) - (a6l6e6x)
                                                                 Instead they should have executed him ... - (bluke) - (7)
                                                                     I agree, it would have been in character. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (6)
                                                                         Actually not considering that Israel has no death penalty - (bluke) - (5)
                                                                             Since when? - (Another Scott) - (4)
                                                                                 He was - (bluke) - (3)
                                                                                     Not counting summary executions without trial of any... - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                                                                                         bargouti ring a bell, he was summarily killed? Arafat? -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                                             Re: Arafat? - (a6l6e6x)
                                                         Considering that the British and the French drew ... - (bluke)
                         Re: Hopefully, it makes the Palestinians - (bluke)
                         Definition of refugees - (bluke) - (2)
                             It would be nice - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
                                 That goes for both sides - (bluke)
             No, this isn't pandering to the Jews - (ben_tilly)
             It's pandering all right, but it's more than just to Jews. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                 that second list, they all go to temple? -NT - (boxley)
             Don't be so sure. - (Silverlock)
             Oh, there is a fair amount of pandering - (JayMehaffey) - (4)
                 Re: the Iraqi war ascpect. - (a6l6e6x) - (3)
                     the amount of people trying to kill americans in Iraq - (boxley) - (2)
                         Would you like to poll the Iraqi Governing Council? - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                             right after we get the mexicans resettled there -NT - (boxley)
             Pandering to the Jewish vote? - (broomberg) - (6)
                 2% that repeatly votes.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     That's not just you - (ben_tilly)
                 Are you forgetting they actually vote? - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                     dam near as bad as the cubans - (boxley) - (1)
                         ROFL! Hey, voting is a good thing! Now, from the horse's - (a6l6e6x)
                 2% - (jb4)
         How do you suppose JFK will try to respond? -NT - (Another Scott) - (5)
             He'll discover he has Palestinian blood, too ;-) - (bbronson) - (4)
                 The sign - for future use! - (jbrabeck) - (3)
                     Thanks, but this is too easy - (bbronson) - (1)
                         Use ChrisR's pointer. - (Another Scott)
                     Another pointer: - (admin)

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