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Post #15,022 by addison 10/24/01 6:45:52 PM Reply	What? A la Bill Mahr and The Onion. And those are? Haven't heard anything about them. I've heard a lot about Mahr's stupid comments "That were misunderstood", but haven't heard of that. Addison
Post #15,026 by Ashton 10/24/01 7:21:55 PM Reply	Well.. both are still in bizness [link\|http://www.theonion.com/onion3738/privileged_children.html\|Onion's Documentary on the Protagonists] And Mahr.. is still around. Sears bailed (at least initially, dunno about now) as sponsor + some other Horrified Sponsor for Liberty and Free Speech - whose name I forget. For a couple days the only 'sponsor' was yep: CD-Sellers a la late-night Tee Vee. ABC at least kept the show on air, whatever the sponsorless period did to bottom line. I forget where Onion transgressed the Authorized Post-9/11 Speech Rules. I recall hearing its chief honcho interviewed on NPR, at the time - but not what Bad Thing he had done. (Didn't expect to hear about it on ABCMSNBCCBS, now did we?) HTH. A.
Post #15,063 by kmself 10/24/01 10:09:00 PM Reply	Mahr was publicly censured, Onion commented on it Note that "censured" != "censored". One is a chastisement, the other a muzzling. WH Press scty said words to the effect that "you can't say things like that now". The Onion's piece "Liberties sacrificed in the name of freedom" (or vice versa -- this is memory, not quote) was a parody, but one of the more frighteningly tell-it-as-it-is ones I've ever seen. It wasn't the truth, unadorned, but close. My point: there's been a bit of a push from the Administration to chill the press. It's not been well received. It also doesn't appear to have been fully successful, thankfully. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`

November 17th deadline for military action - (bluke) - (112) - Oct. 22, 2001, 08:50:44 AM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (addison) - (10) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:26:27 AM EDT

Sensitivity is very important here - (Steven A S) - (9) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:31:46 PM EDT

I don't think so. - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:56:37 PM EDT

But what of sensitivity toward Islam itself? - (marlowe) - (6) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:15:06 PM EDT

Ah, the tolerance of the man. - (Silverlock) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:44:46 PM EDT

Missing the point - (hnick) - Oct. 22, 2001, 03:28:13 PM EDT

Other ways to look at it.. - (addison) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:01:07 PM EDT

I'm presuming that we can keep an eye on the situation... - (marlowe) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:11:39 AM EDT

Problem is... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:23:08 AM EDT

I can't parse it any better than that either. - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:54:08 PM EDT

I see the fence sitters as - (Steven A S) - Oct. 22, 2001, 03:16:24 PM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (rsf) - (40) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:10:47 PM EDT

Tend to agree. Remember the Tet Offensive? - (drewk) - (39) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:54:52 PM EDT

Thank you for reading my mind. - (jb4) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:07:45 PM EDT

Fool me twice, shame on me. - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:31:55 PM EDT

Re: Fool me twice, shame on me. - (addison) - (36) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:06:09 PM EDT

Re: Wakeup call: So many missing the point - (dmarker2) - (35) - Oct. 23, 2001, 04:54:45 AM EDT

!Vietnam - (kmself) - (30) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:39:46 AM EDT

Re: Not the same debate ??? - (dmarker2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:50:19 AM EDT

Death toll majority non-citizens? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:05:07 AM EDT

Wikipedia - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:57:41 PM EDT

The numbers are in flux. AP story. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:14:11 PM EDT

Where thugs come from - (Silverlock) - (4) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:38:10 AM EDT

Yep. But not as late as the 20th century - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:19:44 AM EDT

to google or not to google - (Silverlock) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:32:38 AM EDT

My own faulty memory... - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:49:14 AM EDT

Vaguely remember a movie about this - (Silverlock) - Oct. 23, 2001, 10:09:59 AM EDT

Tremendous analogy! - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:17:16 AM EDT

Cancer - (kmself) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:11:27 PM EDT

You make me look moderate by comparison! - (marlowe) - (17) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:27:54 AM EDT

Its a common sense approach. - (addison) - (16) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:33:54 AM EDT

Re: who is the 'they' you write of ? - (dmarker2) - (15) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:09:41 PM EDT

They is somewhat fluid, depending on context. - (addison) - (14) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:27:04 PM EDT

Re: I think you have lost sight of who - (dmarker2) - (13) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:54:10 PM EDT

No, its not I with the lost sight. - (addison) - (12) - Oct. 24, 2001, 12:21:37 AM EDT

Re: Springing Bin Laden's trap - (dmarker2) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2001, 01:57:45 AM EDT

Re: Springing Bin Laden's trap - (addison) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:57:24 AM EDT

Re: Consider this ... - (dmarker2) - (9) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:32:55 AM EDT

Re: Consider this ... - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 24, 2001, 11:19:18 AM EDT

Re: stick to the facts - (dmarker2) - (7) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:58:28 PM EDT

I'm not the one moving away from them - (addison) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:19:23 PM EDT

Re: wrapping up - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2001, 05:22:16 AM EDT

Re: wrapping up - (addison) - (4) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:59:45 PM EDT

Re: wrapping up - another try - (dmarker2) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2001, 10:20:55 PM EDT

Retch out? - (wharris2) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:49:02 AM EDT

Ah.. the 1+1 certain logic of the unwarranted kewl buttinski -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:11:02 AM EDT

Re: Retch out? - (dmarker2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 06:36:21 AM EDT

OT: thugs. And comments. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 23, 2001, 03:08:35 PM EDT

Getting into possible Godwin territory, but... - (jb4) - (3) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:14:19 AM EDT

Also, Nazism wasn't backed by an ancient and venerable... - (marlowe) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:34:55 AM EDT

Re: Getting into possible Godwin territory, Headfirst !!! - (dmarker2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 10:19:49 AM EDT

Point of order. Godwin. - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:15:27 PM EDT

Good time - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:30:10 PM EDT

We'll have a great advantage in winter though. - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:34:08 PM EDT

Possibly. - (addison) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:03:27 PM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (gtall) - (56) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:12:13 PM EDT

Re: It is simpler than that - (dmarker2) - (55) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:13:44 PM EDT

Less simple. - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:33:18 PM EDT

Re: 'they' - yet again - (dmarker2) - (7) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:44:35 PM EDT

No. - (addison) - (6) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:48:16 PM EDT

No. No No - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:18:43 AM EDT

Alas, I'm afraid that in US - it will likely be about - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:43:19 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (addison) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:03:00 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 11:40:51 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 12:09:27 PM EDT

Re: No. No No - (dmarker2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 08:00:02 PM EDT

Re: It is simpler than that - (gtall) - (45) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:31:31 AM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (dmarker2) - (44) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:45:45 AM EDT

You're not seeing something very important. - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:51:04 AM EDT

Re: maybe we are honing in on something here - (dmarker2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:25:43 AM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (gtall) - (22) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:13:54 PM EDT

Heh.. luck? - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:40:16 PM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:47:36 PM EDT

Ashton has a kernel of a good idea ... - (gtall) - (19) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:28:13 AM EDT

Heh.. nice lateral pass near the (endzone?) - (Ashton) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2001, 05:20:07 PM EDT

Re: Heh.. nice lateral pass near the (endzone?) - (gtall) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 01:38:06 PM EDT

I'm *certain* that you know my fav academia quote (!) - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:29:54 PM EDT

Re: I'm *certain* that you know my fav academia quote (!) - (gtall) - Oct. 27, 2001, 07:37:22 AM EDT

Re: Greatly enjoyed that ... - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 26, 2001, 08:11:00 AM EDT

Re: Greatly enjoyed that ... - (gtall) - (13) - Oct. 26, 2001, 01:42:27 PM EDT

OK.. Spike Jones! (In Der F\ufffdehrer's Face)____:-\ufffd - (Ashton) - (12) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:07:55 PM EDT

Re: OK.. Spike Jones! & the city slickers - beetlebomb - (dmarker2) - (3) - Oct. 26, 2001, 07:23:56 PM EDT

Re: OK.. Spike Jones! & the city slickers - beetlebomb - (gtall) - (2) - Oct. 27, 2001, 07:42:52 AM EDT

Also, Car Talk on NPR - "Click & Clack the Tappit brothers" -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 27, 2001, 10:45:05 AM EDT

They seemed closest that.. '50s Murican culture could abide - (Ashton) - Oct. 27, 2001, 05:47:43 PM EDT

Dinner music for people who aren't really hungry - (wharris2) - (7) - Oct. 27, 2001, 08:30:44 AM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 27, 2001, 10:37:27 AM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (wharris2) - (5) - Oct. 27, 2001, 05:23:38 PM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 27, 2001, 09:25:40 PM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 27, 2001, 11:00:38 PM EDT

Re: We live in interesting times - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2001, 12:55:41 AM EDT

cackle - (wharris2) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2001, 03:36:15 AM EST

Re: cackle - (dmarker2) - Oct. 28, 2001, 03:48:39 AM EST

Human Shields, Information Warfare - (kmself) - (18) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:14:32 PM EDT

Is there reason to believe US means to stifle al-Jazeera? - (Ashton) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:49:05 PM EDT

Yes - (kmself) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:29:38 PM EDT

No less disturbing, for being so utterly unsurprising :[ -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:45:02 PM EDT

What? - (addison) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:45:52 PM EDT

Well.. both are still in bizness - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:21:55 PM EDT

Mahr was publicly censured, Onion commented on it - (kmself) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:09:00 PM EDT

Re: A well argued and reasoned case - thanks - (dmarker2) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2001, 08:11:23 PM EDT

I think you're missing something. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:20:12 PM EDT

Re: I think you're missing something. - (dmarker2) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:23:10 AM EDT

Taliban troops - (kmself) - (8) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:22:09 PM EDT

Re: Taliban troops - US invasion ? - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:26:22 AM EDT

Occupation - (kmself) - (4) - Oct. 25, 2001, 04:00:55 PM EDT

Re: Occupation - (wharris2) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:55:27 AM EDT

Bosnia - (kmself) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:52:30 PM EDT

Kosovo - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 26, 2001, 04:33:56 PM EDT

Occupation update: SF Chron, US to base ops in Afghanistan - (kmself) - Oct. 29, 2001, 11:08:28 PM EST

Who is going to deal with these refugees? - (bluke) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2001, 11:12:35 AM EDT

Changes like a kaleidoscope daily.. - (Ashton) - Oct. 25, 2001, 11:19:17 PM EDT

Caught up in the conflict between his brain and his tail.
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