Post #145,031
3/9/04 3:53:46 PM
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I'm about to interview a Net God
Any questions I should ask?
[link|http://web.archive.org/web/20030202041610/gbr.sec.com/02_resume.html|http://web.archive.o...om/02_resume.html]
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Post #145,033
3/9/04 4:04:04 PM
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No questions.
Merely prostrate thyself and offer large amounts of cash.
-YendorMike
[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
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Post #145,034
3/9/04 4:12:52 PM
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I wish
My job is to tech proof.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I told my boss that even IF he does not have the specific skillset for this particular assignment, we should create a job just for him.
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Post #145,036
3/9/04 4:17:59 PM
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Uh, what's so great?
It's all obviously inflated.
-drl
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Post #145,037
3/9/04 4:21:53 PM
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We'll find out
Maybe.
Why do you think so?
Not obvious to me.
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Post #145,040
3/9/04 4:28:26 PM
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Most of the stuff there is searchable content
Within a short period you should be able to confirm 60% of it quickly.
Plus, Him being an IETF Founding Member means a lot in my book.
--
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
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Post #145,042
3/9/04 4:30:37 PM
3/9/04 4:33:51 PM
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I know (link added)
His web site fell off the net about 4 months ago. The wayback machine has a bunch of version of his resume. I especially like the "read this 1st".
I'll link in a bit.
[link|http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:sbgvA9carN8J:gbr.sec.com/whydidIdoit.htm+%22Why+was+Penn+important%3F%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8|http://216.239.39.10...22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]
Edited by broomberg
March 9, 2004, 04:33:51 PM EST
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Post #145,051
3/9/04 4:40:48 PM
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Idiot
It's fucking politcal bullshit! Read between the lines dumbshit! He's at Digital in their heyday and he's "quality control mananger"? What kind of bullshit is that? Everyone I ever knew at Digital was a hands-on, hardwired tech, not a goddamn suit.
-drl
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Post #145,053
3/9/04 4:42:56 PM
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TAKE THE PILLS.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,058
3/9/04 4:46:41 PM
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Re: TAKE THE PILLS.
What's wrong? Do I offend Ye Honored Skull and Boners with the truth? THIS ENTIRE FIELD IS ONE GIGANTIC GAS BAG OF ROTTEN FARTS, on an intellectual level with card counting.
-drl
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Post #145,061
3/9/04 4:49:32 PM
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Re: TAKE THE PILLS.
THIS ENTIRE FIELD IS ONE GIGANTIC GAS BAG OF ROTTEN FARTS Yes, and you're one of the bigger ones.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,054
3/9/04 4:44:23 PM
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Ross... take some time off...
You're starting to froth again. Seriously.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #145,056
3/9/04 4:45:23 PM
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Also, you've never seen a DIGITAL support contract.
Serious PHBism right there.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,059
3/9/04 4:47:42 PM
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WTF do you know what I've seen?
-drl
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Post #145,062
3/9/04 4:52:24 PM
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Not a DIGITAL support contract, that's fer shure.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,039
3/9/04 4:26:54 PM
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Umm... Okay.
He is on the IETF, which is what steers the RFCs for the Internet.
That alone in *MY* Opionion Validates what he is saying.
We also gots: CTO of SEC-Bio.
Dam, boy open thine eyes.
Come on Ross... GIYF and I could show you quickly that those are not Inflated. In fact most of them are definately Subdued.
--
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,041
3/9/04 4:28:47 PM
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Not just on it
Founding member
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Post #145,043
3/9/04 4:30:47 PM
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Just nod... and ask:
Are you sure I can afford you?
--
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[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,049
3/9/04 4:39:07 PM
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Why don't you just go outside and jack off?
This is making me sick.
-drl
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Post #145,078
3/9/04 6:01:04 PM
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Ross, Goodbye.
/me adds entry to userContent.css
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,048
3/9/04 4:38:29 PM
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Re: Umm... Okay.
"Bioinformatics"? Give me a fucking break. Did everyone forget that this work is supposed to require actual intelligence? Does that fucking count for ANYTHING any more? FUCK NO! It counts for shit among the shit-for-brains who hire.
On a steering committee? BIG FUCKING DEAL - he's a political asshole. Ask Todd about "steering committees".
If you look at the actual data in the resume, what has he done? Dicked around with a bullshit invented field to make work for practitioners of scientism? "Installed email for 1300 customers"? We installed email for 40000 across the whole damn world - seven of us - including migrating the entire 10 years of stored email from a totally foreign system.
Only the ignorant are blinded by bullshit - I suppose that's most everyone these days.
He's a stuffed suit, as you'll soon find out.
-drl
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Post #145,050
3/9/04 4:40:39 PM
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Time to STFU and take the lithium, Ross.
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,080
3/9/04 6:02:56 PM
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WOW, I never thought the day I'd say this
I am purposely going to restart my browser so the chrome takes effect. Just to stop seeing YOU.
--
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,172
3/9/04 11:34:34 PM
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Pshaw.
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Post #145,045
3/9/04 4:31:48 PM
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Short question
"Why are you talking to me?"
Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Home Page - Now with added Zing!]
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Post #145,060
3/9/04 4:48:15 PM
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:-)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #145,046
3/9/04 4:32:23 PM
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Sure...
If you could go back and redo some of your past projects from scratch, what fundamental technical decisions would you make differently, and why?
The answer itself should be fascinating.
This is a close cousin to asking someone to think of a recent technical problem that required debugging, and then to ask how they tracked it down. Shows a lot about how someone thinks.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #145,063
3/9/04 4:55:02 PM
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I would ask how the hell the following phrase got
into his resume
>>>>>>>>>>>
Establishing a new center of excellence to focus research on health equity issues using a multidisciplinary approach.
<<<<<<<<<<<
Either he is indeed a bullshit political PHB like deS is screaming, or there is a story there.
--
...what happened to intelligence of this country?
-- Sen. Kerry.
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Post #145,065
3/9/04 5:00:37 PM
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Re: I would ask how the hell the following phrase got
Everything in the resume SCREAMS political bullshit, starting with a trumped up name like "G. BRENDAN" - I'd be far more interested in meeting the creator of Tetris.
The fact that at least three very sharp people - Barry, Peter, and (well I'll guess I'll have to admit it although he's been such a jackoff I hesitate) Greg are taken in by it, clearly illustrates what's wrong with this profession - there is no real intellectual base to it so people base hiring on stupid personal preferences and prejudices. (Scott is an exception - if only the world were filled with people like him.)
-drl
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Post #145,081
3/9/04 6:04:45 PM
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Arse...
You blathering IDIOT. The IETF Defined THE INTERNET. You Effing Doofus.
Never, could I imagine you getting this far off.
--
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,075
3/9/04 5:56:09 PM
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Done
He really is a Net God. His Unix knowledge was perfect (as far as my limited testing explored it).
He was nice and personable.
But he was lacking in the other 2 skillsets that I needed so I won't be hiring him, at least for that position.
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Post #145,086
3/9/04 6:26:22 PM
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Out of curiosity, what skills lacking
guestimate it's probably on the db side?
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Post #145,097
3/9/04 7:05:13 PM
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Perl and SQL
They are on the resume, and he knew enough for some entry level manipulation. But he never saw the requirements for the job, the headhunter threw him at us.
The second I started in that direction he immediately told me he didn't consider those among his primary skillsets. If we had a junior position open I could see using him there, for a slow ramp up, but not for this one. I'd say it would be at least 3 months of heavy supervision / training before we could trust him to touch any data, sucking down a senior person 25%.
We filled the current full-time position. This interview is for a contracter to tide us over until that guy is fully up to speed. We can't afford 2 people as trainees right now.
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Post #145,100
3/9/04 7:14:47 PM
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All this for THAT??
A stupid programming syntax? You went to all this trouble for a fucking SYNTAX?
I understand now what is wrong with this business and why I must get out of it. People like you are so shallow you have no way of evaluating actual ability, so you hire the only thing you do know, a syntax, a piece of paper.
I spit on this business and the entire idea of it. God forgive me for making the mistake of thinking I could make an honest living at it. I am being justly punished for turning my back on teaching - but that didn't seem honest and this did. How could I have been so stupid? I curse the day I ever drew the first penny from this miserable, horrible whore's work.
-drl
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Post #145,110
3/9/04 7:40:45 PM
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What did you SAY?!
bwahaha I still see you have much to speak, without much to say.
Yes, I am not even reading your posts, becuase I have to expend MORE effort to, which I won't.
And Yes, I'll be betting you are frothing about it being Perl and SQL being weak. You effing Bastard, you so damn predictable.
--
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[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,111
3/9/04 7:41:16 PM
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Quit feeding him, Greg.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #145,144
3/9/04 9:36:23 PM
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That'd do it
I've read a couple books on Perl, but I must fess that I don't really get what ties it all together. Every new trick that I'd see look like it was coming from the blue, without being related to any other tricks that I stumbled across. Not really a knock on Perl - lots of people performing lots of useful things in the language, but I just never got my head around it.
However, I'm hoping your latter interviewee lands gainful employment. When it comes to Perl, my interview would go much more like the first candidate.
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Post #145,151
3/9/04 10:08:11 PM
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The sample program was "interesting"
He was unable to do it on the fly. We were pretty sure he was not going to pass the tech interview, and he told me he could not code it while I waited. But he asked if I could sent it to him and let him try anyway. Fine. I figured it might give me some insight to him in case I tried to place him somewhere else.
He sent it back 2 hours later. It worked. It was OK designed. But it was obvious he had never read a Perl book. He was an Awk programmer who probably did an occasional hack of other people's Perl code.
He confused single item slices with hash items. He did not use strict or warnings. He did not close his files. But he did error on open fails, and the code was neat and well commented, including closing braces. I suspect he might of done a bit of CGI.
I wonder what level of effort it took?
I might find some PL/I or mainframe BAL work for him.
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Post #145,087
3/9/04 6:27:03 PM
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What, he lacks 7 years of C# expertise?!? (me.duckForCover)
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Post #145,094
3/9/04 6:59:12 PM
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late model linux n clustering?
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino
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Post #145,096
3/9/04 7:03:37 PM
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WTF is that supposed to imply?
Ooh! He installed Debian on some dead Presarios! Oooh!
-drl
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Post #145,113
3/9/04 7:43:34 PM
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You are so clueless now...
I really don;t want to insult Karsten and Rick... but Damn you are in the same league now. (Petty, piss-ant complaining about everything... taking everything you can and more. Then complaining about what you got for free)
Just crawl back in your cave.
--
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,114
3/9/04 7:45:34 PM
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No wonder he won't return - fookerism
-drl
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Post #145,119
3/9/04 7:57:24 PM
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Danny-boy
Don't even get me started. And *I* am not the one that broke the camels back there you frickin "Clueless Wanna Be Mathematician".
Lets just hope you do get blacklisted fromt he science/math realm. You have enough Ego and WAY enough priggishness to get you to be the darling Black Sheep.
Keep pushing your luck here, It is a wonder you aren't working, with such charm and intelligentsia (il)literati spewing forth, why could they *NOT* hire you for your social skills?
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,127
3/9/04 8:04:32 PM
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ENOUGH ALREADY.
Sheesh. Flame forum anyone??
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #145,131
3/9/04 8:09:10 PM
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Wouldna mattered anyway. He would just kept going.
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I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,095
3/9/04 7:01:54 PM
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Ooh! He knew UNIX!
Give me a fucking break. What's to know?
"Ooh! He taught himself 'Mary's Lamb' on the kazoo!"
Pardon me while I seethe with contempt.
-drl
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Post #145,108
3/9/04 7:37:57 PM
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Give it a rest.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #145,112
3/9/04 7:41:38 PM
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Yeah, another brilliant frothing, I am sure.
Give it a rest Ross, go outside and play with your wee-wee.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
I did a 10K wheelchair race once. The guy
who pushed me still has the whip-marks.
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Post #145,130
3/9/04 8:08:54 PM
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Greg, you know better...
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Post #145,135
3/9/04 8:20:36 PM
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Greg, YOU give it a rest (new thread)
Created as new thread #145134 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=145134|Greg, YOU give it a rest]
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #145,154
3/9/04 10:18:22 PM
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well actually I wish the developers around here knew unix
would make my job a lot easier
example.
today I needed a favor from a developer that is writing the heart of an important app.
Do ya have time?
Sure just having problems with an EJB container
(well having read the subject lines of a couple of Ben's posts in programming) I wheedle, help me out and Ill take a look
she helps me out
I look, the code looks ok, so lets run it and look at the error.
She goes I dont understand?
well the error sez it cant find yer shit so declare explicitely where it is
C:foo/bar/eeh/I/eeI/oh
run it again.
runs fine, she goes "thank you. Ive been on this all day and you fixed it!!"
told her she was just starting because a write once run everywhere would crap out on hard coded paths AND THAT IS A HUGE PART OF MY PROBLEMS WITH THIS CRAPAUD!!!!
yes virginia, knowing unix IS important
thanx,
bill
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino
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Post #145,166
3/9/04 11:01:39 PM
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Well I know it
Get me a telnet account and tell them I'll work for half.
-drl
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Post #145,170
3/9/04 11:16:24 PM
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Have you checked WUSTL recently?
They're looking for a [link|http://aisweb.wustl.edu/protohr/employop.nsf/c88e87999dc78487862567220080ca32/ccc9bfbb40a3ffa786256e4d0036f0ea?OpenDocument|network admin]: Job Description: MAINTAIN, TROUBLESHOOT, AND SUPPORT A 108-PROCESSOR LINUX CLUSTER, FILE AND WEB SERVERS, 20 DESKTOP LINUX AND WINDOWS SYSTEMS, AND NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE. DEVELOP AND MAINTAIN AN EFFICIENT BACKUP POLICY FOR SERVERS AND LOCAL DISKS. CARRY A PAGER AND RESPOND TO OCCASIONAL EVENING AND WEEEKEND SUPPORT REQUESTS. ENSURE MAXIMAL UPTIME BY ANTICIPATING POINTS OF FAILURE AND LAPSES OF SECURITY. CREATE AND MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION ON THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS IN THE GROUP. RESEARCH WAYS TO OPTIMIZE CLUSTER CONFIGURATION AND INCREASE OVERALL PERFORMANCE. PURCHASE, INSTALL, CONFIGURE, TEST, AND OPTIMIZE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE. ADVISE ON PURCHASING AND CLUSTER EXPANSION. The Med School lists [link|http://aladdin.wustl.edu/medadmin/hr/jobs.nsf/b4c5a322cf7b78cc862564030059c57e/8663d0bb423ae177862565fa0059058c?OpenDocument|several positions] as well.... Good luck! Cheers, Scott.
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Post #145,171
3/9/04 11:33:34 PM
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Already applied
I bombard them all the time for any job close.
-drl
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Post #145,173
3/9/04 11:37:21 PM
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Good! Keep at it. Luck!
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Post #145,179
3/10/04 12:16:11 AM
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would be a dream job
No doubt it's related to scientific computing. Just in case it's the famous WUGRAV general relativity group, I attached my first paper :)
-drl
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Post #145,228
3/10/04 8:48:34 AM
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they wont even let me work remote except for off hours
emergencies. It looks like you need a travellin gig if things are slow in St Louis, hotlanta has gigs.
thanx,
bill
when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
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Post #145,189
3/10/04 12:52:45 AM
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Another day, another Vulture Capitalism script
I appreciate you, Barry - you're honest, articulate, more clever than a stoned ferret, and you eschew euphemistic feel-good rationalizations. I feel, by now - that there are many areas in which I'd trust your judgment implicitly. Probably in 'personal' matters. But I just love these utterlly revealing slices of Corp-Strife-existence '04: The Unvarnished Taste of Hourly Triage (maybe a taste ~ like licking a piece of Calcium Carbide, gargling the Acetylene?)
I expect that Management groks to fullness that you Are For, what you claim to be 'for' - the smoothest possible operation of the er Operation. By any means necessary. And you are also a perfect Social Darwinist - thus employed.
[on their behalf - I can't guess how you'd like to be able to operate, in some other milieu. If there were any milieu less crass, currently, closer than Patagonia].
So while I mean no slightest disrespect - I believe that, by implication you clearly point out within every 'failure analysis' - as near Exactly as I've ever seen: the true cost of '04 Bizness and its ethicsless-Ethics, to the wellbeing of a functional, interrelated Society (of any kind).
Springtime for Hitler in Germany .. dunno, it just comes to mind as a metaphor for --> Where US is headed; accelerated by: just the sort of digital speed-manipulations which IT Stands For. Get good at your job ==> Eliminate all jobs anything Like your job, present or.. after even the mental ++ upgrade of the individual's wetware, this week.
The goal of Management is to automate *Everything* you do (or think you do) SAP. For the God of Efficiency, that religion of the Econ folks - whose attenuated views of Real Life were allowed to expand and infect all: VisiCalc alone, may have doomed US to the tender mercies of the 100% mercantile mindlessness du jour. This is not a formula for human beings - but only for the velocity of money - a Pure Abstraction! <<<
Yes I do appreciate that IT is the Engine for (much of) the beyond-human-endurance accelerated pace of our floundering aimless fluff-based kultur - so it is bound also to be its largest victim: immediate feedback, nanosecond rise-time of the pulse. (Must be about a 1 pF capacitor in that loop)
Where there is NO 'job security' / no sense that any bizness 'owes' any tithe, planning consideration -- for the privilege of using/abusing the US infrastructure (except whatever taxes they can't manage to elude via the Caymans and faux justifications for imported McD workers) -- there you have the disintegration of Society almost completed, epecially as taught in those bucolic textbooks with Spot, Dick and Jane. (Most still imagine that *was* The Murican Dream\ufffd - the slow ones think it's still tenable.)
{sigh} As for "IT" - and the writing on the above wall:
You. Poor. Bastards.
(Though - hardly are you.. Alone. Chaos == when this IT-process spreads just a tad further afield.)
If we drowned the 1% - now thoroughly conditioned into anti-Society habits:
[including all current CIEIOS and their incestuous boards - each scratching each other's back elsewhere: look at some of the geographic maps of these boards' members - and cross-pollination.] If...
How many weeks might it take? for the the ambitious 5% of the 99% to begin from a new set of assumptions, derived from a rewrite of the whole "Corporate as Person" silliness that got us here. (After order is somewhat restored in DC following the riots, natch -- then All the reps' attention shall be gotten at once; unprecedented, that - PATRIOT wasn't enough 'reason' - remember? It was passed without even READING it.)
Is this any more scurrilous an idea than - PNAC? And many folks Like that one, and the uniforms too - so what's it gonna be? Two-class hyper-rich /VS/ peasants, in perpetual clawing self-destruct or:
a nice surgical pogrom?
You Choose.
er.. cha cha cha
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Post #145,194
3/10/04 1:22:19 AM
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Try again.
The goal of Management is to automate *Everything* you do (or think you do) SAP. For the God of Efficiency, that religion of the Econ folks - whose attenuated views of Real Life were allowed to expand and infect all: VisiCalc alone, may have doomed US to the tender mercies of the 100% mercantile mindlessness du jour. This is not a formula for human beings - but only for the velocity of money - a Pure Abstraction! On one front, you're dead wrong. The goal of Management in this case is to realize a return on investment. If the project takes one year to complete with four trained people, don't hire someone who will take six months to learn the ropes. That's all. On a grander plane, you're absolutely right. The goal of management is to automate everything you do. But interpreting this as Evil Intentions is a mistake--it is nothing more than meeting the current challenge, the challenge of adapting your company to constant, inevitable change. My job as an IT manager is to take the change of the week and do one of three things with it: 1. Reject it on provable grounds. 2. Package it into a process which a developer can manage. 3. Package it into a job which a non-developer can do. This week, it's a new website for marketing. Next week, it's IP telephony. Then GPS. Then wireless. Then refactoring. Then DB optimization. Then--you're so far out that planning is meaningless. This is what (especially *middle*) management does: grease the wheels of corporate change. This is exponentially true in a "knowledge-based" industry (or business unit, or department).
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Post #145,196
3/10/04 1:30:48 AM
3/10/04 1:31:56 AM
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Melville understood
The goal is out of balance.
The goal should not be to maximize ANYTHING, rather, to put up a stable entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers. When Ahab runs after Moby Dick he commits the sin of hubris, and suffers retribution. When the whalers are out to hunt whales according to stable tradition, taking what is needed to fill the barrels with oil but not killing for the hell of it, or revenge, or in greed, then the oil lamps of the world light the books of students, and clocks tick steadily and accurately marking the rhythm of stable, productive life.
The sin that business makes is the sin of Ahab - chasing the demon of profit without regard to whom it profits in a larger context - and finally without regard to God's metaphysical order as revealed in stable tradition.
-drl
Edited by deSitter
March 10, 2004, 01:31:56 AM EST
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Post #145,280
3/10/04 12:39:45 PM
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Bzuh?
You and Ashton, I swear--do you ever have conversations that don't take on cosmic significance? ;) The goal should not be to maximize ANYTHING, rather, to put up a stable entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers. ...which equates to a goal to maximize stability. Change one word and I'll sign it: The goal should be to put up a stable dynamic entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers. I was one of the original authors of VB, and *I* wouldn't use VB for a text
processing program. :-) Michael Geary, on comp.lang.python
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Post #145,281
3/10/04 12:43:16 PM
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nope, we're idealists in the strict sense :)
-drl
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Post #145,413
3/10/04 5:41:19 PM
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Cosmic significance? Why not..
What color was that Kool-aid you drank?
What else is the *concept* of Cosmic about!? than - an overview of (as much as we fancy we might grok) of how a life is 'spent' >here< ? All the n-nested subcategories are meaningless, especially in their Brownian-movement ["dynamic?"] complexity. Analysis to perdition - can make no sense of the level of complexity now extant on this once-green and now daily more self-polluting planet. People are becoming nastier within this suffocating and artificial hyper-environment - or hadn't you noticed?
US 'entertainment' is largely about blowing up things/people -- as are our games.
Synthesis OTOH, is always hard; it is the Great Ones who ever managed some decent insights via that unteachable process. "The lower cannot see the higher" differentiation is easier than integration .. cha cha cha
I think that Ross's summation below, of the Goals of Bizness 04 - is quite close enough for outlining debate of the Ends which so many are willing to employ any Means to achieve. And rare among the goals of bizness practitioners -across the board- is the occasional one who dares to see and say: that "the Ends" really are just THIS TAWDRY. Cupidity is now a virtue?
Imagine.. spending that three score and ten.. in the pursuit of getting as much as you can of the entire pie, with supreme disdain for anyone not-you; the kind of society that follows from such naked Personal Greed on the part of most of its active wielders of the power (of setting 'agendas').
And if that is what "humanity" is willing to settle for, even after the crassness has been pointed out; if a large majority are willing to trade their prospects for ever possessing any leisure time or any quiet place for contemplation, for the treadmill of 24/7 constant competition to Get More - indefinitely?
What would a Sci-fi author label such a deranged species on say, the planet Spin, in the autodestruct-galaxy Lemming?
Machines (via Moore's Law) can manage an exponential rise in speed, til it levels off asymptotic to limits set by physical laws. We see that people cannot obey Moore's Law, but only can become enslaved, by any urge to do so. Modern Times seems now not merely prescient - it became a blueprint for Bizness 04.
The innovation of Soulless (and Allegiance-less) uncontrolled multinational corps: daily forces more humans to behave like machines.. never mind the place alloted on the std. issue cubicle desk for pics of the cat and the kid. One's infinitesimal slice-of-Life within the mono-purpose cultural vacuum of an office? This is a *Life* ??
I see no sign of any tapering off of this rush to constant-motion madness, only signs that "we ain't seen nothin yet" -- the sort of callow fresh-MBA enthusiasm of every history-ignorant yout, since the beginning. Only - this time, the untaught and often unteachable are being encouraged to run the asylum.
I figure that, those who have never learned the meaning of adequacy and insist upon More without limit, have a predictable 'End': Big Crash. (If we're lucky enough to get that splash of cold water on the fever, that is - *before* the nukes start going off.)
Nothing 'cosmic' though, in the level of banality of our current game plan.. it's Swiftian, and I don't mean Tom)
moi
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Post #145,417
3/10/04 5:48:31 PM
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Koyaanisqaatsi, literally "life out-of-balance"Indians Smart
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Post #145,198
3/10/04 1:40:09 AM
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I assume you've seen http://theyrule.net
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #145,306
3/10/04 1:34:51 PM
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That's the main point.
Where there is NO 'job security' / no sense that any bizness 'owes' any tithe, planning consideration -- for the privilege of using/abusing the US infrastructure (except whatever taxes they can't manage to elude via the Caymans and faux justifications for imported McD workers There is NO job security anywhere in America anymore. Gone are the days for example, in St. Louis where if you got lucky enough to get a job at McDonnell Douglas or Emerson Electric, you were basically set for life. TRUE job security has become a thing of the past and I think that's one of the biggest problems today is that people can't relax and feel secure and safe in their jobs anymore, be it IT, factory work, or Mcdonalds. It's not just the IT business that has no job security or just the IT business that has radically changed as far as how employees are treated, it's the entire working world. Nightowl >8#
"Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Post #145,311
3/10/04 1:39:31 PM
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Re: That's the main point.
..or AB, or Purina, or Tums, or Ford, or Chrysler, or TWA, or the hospitals, or in government... see the point? It was the EXPECTATION of the middle class to have a "job for life" because LIFE was what happened OFF the job. Now instead of "jobs for life" we have "life for jobs" because the ONLY important thing in the eyes of the business world is MONEY. The purpose of life is to amass profits and material belongings. The sole purpose of living is to help amass profits. Of course when stated this way it's obviously insane, but that's how it has turned.
-drl
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Post #145,586
3/11/04 11:44:39 AM
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How many more jobs do you think you can handle at once?
Many date ranges end in 'present'. At this very moment he resume states that he is:
Chief Technical Officer, SEC Biotechnologies
Research Specialist, Center for Experimental Therapeutics
Research Associate, Office of Health Services Research
Co-Principal Investigator, Data and Statistics Core, Center for Health Equity Research and Promotion
and the most modern language he lists on his resume is C.
Something looks fishy. I don't believe this guy has been hands on since the early '80s.
The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters.
-- Alan Kay
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Post #145,590
3/11/04 11:47:54 AM
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Re: How many more jobs do you think you can handle at once?
Thanks a lot TB - where were you when I was getting flamed? :)
-drl
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Post #145,635
3/11/04 1:17:25 PM
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Busy I guess
Working 2 jobs - one pays money - the other might later.
The tree of research must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of bean counters.
-- Alan Kay
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Post #145,761
3/11/04 11:00:43 PM
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Some very old computer experience....
I don't know. I'm not impressed. The IEEE stuff is nice, but I don't see a lot of recent computer experience.
I wouldn't be hiring him for a programming job. He's beyond those days.
Glen
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