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New Another day, another Vulture Capitalism script
I appreciate you, Barry - you're honest, articulate, more clever than a stoned ferret, and you eschew euphemistic feel-good rationalizations. I feel, by now - that there are many areas in which I'd trust your judgment implicitly. Probably in 'personal' matters. But I just love these utterlly revealing slices of Corp-Strife-existence '04: The Unvarnished Taste of Hourly Triage (maybe a taste ~ like licking a piece of Calcium Carbide, gargling the Acetylene?)

I expect that Management groks to fullness that you Are For, what you claim to be 'for' - the smoothest possible operation of the er Operation. By any means necessary. And you are also a perfect Social Darwinist - thus employed.
[on their behalf - I can't guess how you'd like to be able to operate, in some other milieu. If there were any milieu less crass, currently, closer than Patagonia].

So while I mean no slightest disrespect - I believe that, by implication you clearly point out within every 'failure analysis' - as near Exactly as I've ever seen: the true cost of '04 Bizness and its ethicsless-Ethics, to the wellbeing of a functional, interrelated Society (of any kind).

Springtime for Hitler in Germany .. dunno, it just comes to mind as a metaphor for --> Where US is headed; accelerated by: just the sort of digital speed-manipulations which IT Stands For. Get good at your job ==> Eliminate all jobs anything Like your job, present or.. after even the mental ++ upgrade of the individual's wetware, this week.

The goal of Management is to automate *Everything* you do (or think you do) SAP. For the God of Efficiency, that religion of the Econ folks - whose attenuated views of Real Life were allowed to expand and infect all: VisiCalc alone, may have doomed US to the tender mercies of the 100% mercantile mindlessness du jour. This is not a formula for human beings - but only for the velocity of money - a Pure Abstraction! <<<

Yes I do appreciate that IT is the Engine for (much of) the beyond-human-endurance accelerated pace of our floundering aimless fluff-based kultur - so it is bound also to be its largest victim: immediate feedback, nanosecond rise-time of the pulse. (Must be about a 1 pF capacitor in that loop)

Where there is NO 'job security' / no sense that any bizness 'owes' any tithe, planning consideration -- for the privilege of using/abusing the US infrastructure (except whatever taxes they can't manage to elude via the Caymans and faux justifications for imported McD workers) -- there you have the disintegration of Society almost completed, epecially as taught in those bucolic textbooks with Spot, Dick and Jane. (Most still imagine that *was* The Murican Dream\ufffd - the slow ones think it's still tenable.)

{sigh} As for "IT" - and the writing on the above wall:

You. Poor. Bastards.
(Though - hardly are you.. Alone. Chaos == when this IT-process spreads just a tad further afield.)


If we drowned the 1% - now thoroughly conditioned into anti-Society habits:
[including all current CIEIOS and their incestuous boards - each scratching each other's back elsewhere: look at some of the geographic maps of these boards' members - and cross-pollination.] If...


How many weeks might it take? for the the ambitious 5% of the 99% to begin from a new set of assumptions, derived from a rewrite of the whole "Corporate as Person" silliness that got us here. (After order is somewhat restored in DC following the riots, natch -- then All the reps' attention shall be gotten at once; unprecedented, that - PATRIOT wasn't enough 'reason' - remember? It was passed without even READING it.)

Is this any more scurrilous an idea than - PNAC? And many folks Like that one, and the uniforms too - so what's it gonna be? Two-class hyper-rich /VS/ peasants, in perpetual clawing self-destruct or:

a nice surgical pogrom?

You Choose.


er.. cha cha cha
New Try again.
The goal of Management is to automate *Everything* you do (or think you do) SAP. For the God of Efficiency, that religion of the Econ folks - whose attenuated views of Real Life were allowed to expand and infect all: VisiCalc alone, may have doomed US to the tender mercies of the 100% mercantile mindlessness du jour. This is not a formula for human beings - but only for the velocity of money - a Pure Abstraction!


On one front, you're dead wrong. The goal of Management in this case is to realize a return on investment. If the project takes one year to complete with four trained people, don't hire someone who will take six months to learn the ropes. That's all.

On a grander plane, you're absolutely right. The goal of management is to automate everything you do. But interpreting this as Evil Intentions is a mistake--it is nothing more than meeting the current challenge, the challenge of adapting your company to constant, inevitable change. My job as an IT manager is to take the change of the week and do one of three things with it:

1. Reject it on provable grounds.
2. Package it into a process which a developer can manage.
3. Package it into a job which a non-developer can do.

This week, it's a new website for marketing. Next week, it's IP telephony. Then GPS. Then wireless. Then refactoring. Then DB optimization. Then--you're so far out that planning is meaningless. This is what (especially *middle*) management does: grease the wheels of corporate change. This is exponentially true in a "knowledge-based" industry (or business unit, or department).
New Melville understood
The goal is out of balance.

The goal should not be to maximize ANYTHING, rather, to put up a stable entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers. When Ahab runs after Moby Dick he commits the sin of hubris, and suffers retribution. When the whalers are out to hunt whales according to stable tradition, taking what is needed to fill the barrels with oil but not killing for the hell of it, or revenge, or in greed, then the oil lamps of the world light the books of students, and clocks tick steadily and accurately marking the rhythm of stable, productive life.

The sin that business makes is the sin of Ahab - chasing the demon of profit without regard to whom it profits in a larger context - and finally without regard to God's metaphysical order as revealed in stable tradition.
-drl
Expand Edited by deSitter March 10, 2004, 01:31:56 AM EST
New Bzuh?
You and Ashton, I swear--do you ever have conversations that don't take on cosmic significance? ;)

The goal should not be to maximize ANYTHING, rather, to put up a stable entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers.


...which equates to a goal to maximize stability. Change one word and I'll sign it:

The goal should be to put up a stable dynamic entity that thrives and does good service to BOTH the investors and the workers.
I was one of the original authors of VB, and *I* wouldn't use VB for a text
processing program. :-)
Michael Geary, on comp.lang.python
New nope, we're idealists in the strict sense :)
-drl
New Cosmic significance? Why not..
What color was that Kool-aid you drank?

What else is the *concept* of Cosmic about!? than - an overview of (as much as we fancy we might grok) of how a life is 'spent' >here< ? All the n-nested subcategories are meaningless, especially in their Brownian-movement ["dynamic?"] complexity. Analysis to perdition - can make no sense of the level of complexity now extant on this once-green and now daily more self-polluting planet. People are becoming nastier within this suffocating and artificial hyper-environment - or hadn't you noticed?

US 'entertainment' is largely about blowing up things/people -- as are our games.

Synthesis OTOH, is always hard; it is the Great Ones who ever managed some decent insights via that unteachable process. "The lower cannot see the higher" differentiation is easier than integration .. cha cha cha

I think that Ross's summation below, of the Goals of Bizness 04 - is quite close enough for outlining debate of the Ends which so many are willing to employ any Means to achieve. And rare among the goals of bizness practitioners -across the board- is the occasional one who dares to see and say: that "the Ends" really are just THIS TAWDRY. Cupidity is now a virtue?

Imagine.. spending that three score and ten.. in the pursuit of getting as much as you can of the entire pie, with supreme disdain for anyone not-you; the kind of society that follows from such naked Personal Greed on the part of most of its active wielders of the power (of setting 'agendas').

And if that is what "humanity" is willing to settle for, even after the crassness has been pointed out; if a large majority are willing to trade their prospects for ever possessing any leisure time or any quiet place for contemplation, for the treadmill of 24/7 constant competition to Get More - indefinitely?

What would a Sci-fi author label such a deranged species on say, the planet Spin, in the autodestruct-galaxy Lemming?

Machines (via Moore's Law) can manage an exponential rise in speed, til it levels off asymptotic to limits set by physical laws. We see that people cannot obey Moore's Law, but only can become enslaved, by any urge to do so. Modern Times seems now not merely prescient - it became a blueprint for Bizness 04.

The innovation of Soulless (and Allegiance-less) uncontrolled multinational corps: daily forces more humans to behave like machines.. never mind the place alloted on the std. issue cubicle desk for pics of the cat and the kid. One's infinitesimal slice-of-Life within the mono-purpose cultural vacuum of an office? This is a *Life* ??

I see no sign of any tapering off of this rush to constant-motion madness, only signs that "we ain't seen nothin yet" -- the sort of callow fresh-MBA enthusiasm of every history-ignorant yout, since the beginning. Only - this time, the untaught and often unteachable are being encouraged to run the asylum.

I figure that, those who have never learned the meaning of adequacy and insist upon More without limit, have a predictable 'End': Big Crash. (If we're lucky enough to get that splash of cold water on the fever, that is - *before* the nukes start going off.)

Nothing 'cosmic' though, in the level of banality of our current game plan.. it's Swiftian, and I don't mean Tom)


moi
New Koyaanisqaatsi, literally "life out-of-balance"Indians Smart
New I assume you've seen http://theyrule.net
===

Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New That's the main point.
Where there is NO 'job security' / no sense that any bizness 'owes' any tithe, planning consideration -- for the privilege of using/abusing the US infrastructure (except whatever taxes they can't manage to elude via the Caymans and faux justifications for imported McD workers


There is NO job security anywhere in America anymore. Gone are the days for example, in St. Louis where if you got lucky enough to get a job at McDonnell Douglas or Emerson Electric, you were basically set for life.

TRUE job security has become a thing of the past and I think that's one of the biggest problems today is that people can't relax and feel secure and safe in their jobs anymore, be it IT, factory work, or Mcdonalds. It's not just the IT business that has no job security or just the IT business that has radically changed as far as how employees are treated, it's the entire working world.

Nightowl >8#







"Don't be a cynic and disconsolate preacher. Don't bewail and moan. Omit the negative propositions. Challenge us with incessant affirmatives. Don't waste yourself in rejection, or bark against the bad, but chant the beauty of the good." Ralph Waldo Emerson
New Re: That's the main point.
..or AB, or Purina, or Tums, or Ford, or Chrysler, or TWA, or the hospitals, or in government... see the point? It was the EXPECTATION of the middle class to have a "job for life" because LIFE was what happened OFF the job. Now instead of "jobs for life" we have "life for jobs" because the ONLY important thing in the eyes of the business world is MONEY. The purpose of life is to amass profits and material belongings. The sole purpose of living is to help amass profits. Of course when stated this way it's obviously insane, but that's how it has turned.
-drl
     I'm about to interview a Net God - (broomberg) - (71)
         No questions. - (Yendor) - (22)
             I wish - (broomberg) - (21)
                 Uh, what's so great? - (deSitter) - (20)
                     We'll find out - (broomberg) - (10)
                         Most of the stuff there is searchable content - (folkert) - (9)
                             I know (link added) - (broomberg)
                             Idiot - (deSitter) - (7)
                                 TAKE THE PILLS. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                     Re: TAKE THE PILLS. - (deSitter) - (1)
                                         Re: TAKE THE PILLS. - (pwhysall)
                                 Ross... take some time off... - (admin)
                                 Also, you've never seen a DIGITAL support contract. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                     WTF do you know what I've seen? -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                         Not a DIGITAL support contract, that's fer shure. -NT - (pwhysall)
                     Umm... Okay. - (folkert) - (8)
                         Not just on it - (broomberg) - (3)
                             Just nod... and ask: - (folkert) - (2)
                                 Why don't you just go outside and jack off? - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     Ross, Goodbye. - (folkert)
                         Re: Umm... Okay. - (deSitter) - (3)
                             Time to STFU and take the lithium, Ross. -NT - (pwhysall)
                             WOW, I never thought the day I'd say this - (folkert) - (1)
                                 Pshaw. -NT - (Ashton)
         Short question - (pwhysall) - (1)
             :-) -NT - (admin)
         Sure... - (ben_tilly)
         I would ask how the hell the following phrase got - (Arkadiy) - (2)
             Re: I would ask how the hell the following phrase got - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Arse... - (folkert)
         Done - (broomberg) - (27)
             Out of curiosity, what skills lacking - (ChrisR) - (6)
                 Perl and SQL - (broomberg) - (5)
                     All this for THAT?? - (deSitter) - (2)
                         What did you SAY?! - (folkert) - (1)
                             Quit feeding him, Greg. -NT - (admin)
                     That'd do it - (ChrisR) - (1)
                         The sample program was "interesting" - (broomberg)
             What, he lacks 7 years of C# expertise?!? (me.duckForCover) -NT - (bbronson)
             late model linux n clustering? -NT - (boxley) - (6)
                 WTF is that supposed to imply? - (deSitter) - (5)
                     You are so clueless now... - (folkert) - (4)
                         No wonder he won't return - fookerism -NT - (deSitter) - (3)
                             Danny-boy - (folkert) - (2)
                                 ENOUGH ALREADY. - (admin) - (1)
                                     Wouldna mattered anyway. He would just kept going. -NT - (folkert)
             Ooh! He knew UNIX! - (deSitter) - (11)
                 Give it a rest. -NT - (admin)
                 Yeah, another brilliant frothing, I am sure. - (folkert) - (2)
                     Greg, you know better... -NT - (Another Scott)
                     Greg, YOU give it a rest (new thread) - (ben_tilly)
                 well actually I wish the developers around here knew unix - (boxley) - (6)
                     Well I know it - (deSitter) - (5)
                         Have you checked WUSTL recently? - (Another Scott) - (3)
                             Already applied - (deSitter) - (2)
                                 Good! Keep at it. Luck! -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                     would be a dream job - (deSitter)
                         they wont even let me work remote except for off hours - (boxley)
         Another day, another Vulture Capitalism script - (Ashton) - (9)
             Try again. - (FuManChu) - (5)
                 Melville understood - (deSitter) - (4)
                     Bzuh? - (FuManChu) - (2)
                         nope, we're idealists in the strict sense :) -NT - (deSitter)
                         Cosmic significance? Why not.. - (Ashton)
                     Koyaanisqaatsi, literally "life out-of-balance"Indians Smart -NT - (Ashton)
             I assume you've seen http://theyrule.net -NT - (drewk)
             That's the main point. - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 Re: That's the main point. - (deSitter)
         How many more jobs do you think you can handle at once? - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Re: How many more jobs do you think you can handle at once? - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Busy I guess - (tuberculosis)
         Some very old computer experience.... - (gdaustin)

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