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New OT on living in California
If required, Oakland isnt a bad pick but I would insist on either grass valley or redding. It isnt the native Californio's that are so annoying, but as you pointed out the transplants are a pain in the bendeco. The overcrowding is annoying and the uniformed services are a assholic nightmare but if one can avoid both its a great place. San Mateo is also very nice(or used to be)
"You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete
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New Same anywhere you go.
The natives are great, it's the fucking locusts that come in, drive up real estate prices, and piss in the lakes that get me.

(As a PacNW native, I, too, have had similar experiences, just delayed. Hear Portland, OR is now experiencing the same problems that Seattle had in the late '80s-mid '90s.)
In that final hour, when each breath is a struggle to take, and you are looking back over your life's accomplishments, which memories would you treasure? The empires you built, or the joy you spread to others?

Therin lies the true measure of a man.
     Great - (deSitter) - (27)
         Re: Great - (Nightowl) - (3)
             My guess is Arnie - (jake123) - (1)
                 Re: My guess is Arnie - (Nightowl)
             "I'm sorry, your description doesn't help me know." - (Arkadiy)
         Since when is CA "largest state"?? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
             I think he means - (orion) - (1)
                 5th largest economy in the world, that is. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
         As a former Californian, let me say... - (mmoffitt) - (13)
             I think it just goes to show... - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                 Oh, really? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Re: Oh, really? - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                         Different outlets reported that differently - (ben_tilly)
             Re: As a former Californian, let me say... - (rcareaga) - (7)
                 Tut, tut, Rand, but Mike lives in Indiana. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                     I'm a tarheel born and a tarheel bred and when I die ... - (mmoffitt)
                 Heard on NPR Marketplace yesterday - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                     Disagree - Tangelos are the best thing out of CA. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                 :-) -NT - (boxley)
                 OT on living in California - (boxley) - (1)
                     Same anywhere you go. - (inthane-chan)
             Oops, I misunderstood. - (mmoffitt)
         It'll take more than that - (tangaroa) - (4)
             I see you've used the short list. :) -NT - (a6l6e6x)
             One shouldnt be in there - (boxley)
             very well stated and very concise... -NT - (slugbug)
             Re: It'll take more than that - (deSitter)
         Description could be any pro politician -NT - (tuberculosis)

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